how to intall euro hinges (suugestions/comments)

[imcnovicio]

i would like to know any tools, template, etc that can be use when installing euro hinge?

any suggestions in tools, template, measurements,etc.

Thx : )



thank you sa lahat ng nag comment at nag suggest

[zepol]

There's a forstner bit just just for that. The hinge fits exactly in the resulting hole. There are cheap ones for sale, but I got mine at Panda for around 1k a couple years ago. All you need is a drill, try square, and pencil.

BTW I'm not installing any concealed hinges for the next few years, so let me know if you want to buy it. The bit is in pristine condition after making just a few holes. What I need right now is a safety harness for working in the roof :(

[violaine]

measurements?

you need a 35mm forstner bit.

conventionally, the edge of the hole should be 7mm from the edge of the wood (or plywood, mdf etc)

if you are going to make a lot of these and to show off then there is a jig made by rockler

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10940&filter=concealed%20hinge%20jig

goodluck!

[imcnovicio]

measurements?

you need a 35mm forstner bit.

conventionally, the edge of the hole should be 7mm from the edge of the wood (or plywood, mdf etc)

if you are going to make a lot of these and to show off then there is a jig made by rockler

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10940&filter=concealed%20hinge%20jig

goodluck!

standard measurement po b ung 7mm edge ng hole from the edge of the wood sa different kinds of euro hinge? thx po

[timber715]

depending on the hinge manufacturer, the standard measurement in installing euro or concealed hinges varies from 3 to 7mm. now if I were to install the hinge I mark the hole in the center of the bit. so half of 35mm is 17.5mm plus the space desired will give you the center of the bit. example: 17.5mm + 5mm(which I normally use) will give me a 22.5mm center location...
I often use a drill press for this with a fence that I can set. So all I need to do is mark the location of the hinge and cut away, I also adjust the depth of cut in the dp with either a scrap of the actual material cutting slowly and creeping to the desired depth without blowing out the opposite side. If I need to do several doors, I just put a stop block and cut away.....

[zepol]

I saw a drill stand for sale, it looks like just the thing for the job. It won't be as accurate as a drill press but you won't have to wrestle 204cm cabinet door into place.

[migs26]

ok lang ba gumamit ng 35mm forstner bit sa plywood? di ba sya madudurog?

i'll just be using a drill to drive it, ano pwede gawing depth stopper?

[violaine]

hindi naman madududurog yung plywood basta sharp at new yung forstner bit..maganda sana kung carbide tipped yung forstner bit mol..tandaan..madaling machoke yung bit kaya hinay hinay lang pag butas...angat lagi at tanggalin ang wood chips..

ala pang 12mm yung depth nun kaya kahit free hand lang ang pagbutas mo eh ok na at hindi mo na kailangan ng drill press...siyempre pag madami kang bubutasan na door panel eh nakakangawit yun. pero hindi mo kailangan bumili ng drill press for that purpose..pagtiyagaan mo na lang muna.

tandaan..ok lang gamitin ang drill press sa mga manageable projects like kitchen cabinet doors..

longer than those eh awkward na ang drill press.

mag experimento sa distance ng edge ng wood at hole to be sure.

pero standard kasi yung mga soft closing euro hinges ko kaya i never go wrong sa 7mm distance.

magpraktis!magpraktis sa scrap.

pahabol..mas maganda nga pla kung variable speed yung drill...pero kahit hindi ok lang.

mag ingat!

[violaine]

stopper???

wala eh..

actually yung kapal ng forstner bit eh safe na guide na yun para sa lalim ng hole..mas malalim lang ng kaunti...subukan mo na lang.

kung maari magpost ng wips para sa kaalaman ng iba..

salamat

[violaine]

tama na yung 2 hinges sa 24" long cabinet doors..mga 2.5 - 3" ang distance sa magkabilang edge.

i have tried installing 3 hinges on 6 footer plywood/plyboard doors with no problem..basta heavy duty yung hinges.

pero mabigat ang mdf..3x the weight yata versus the plywood..kaya dagdagan ng hinges accordingly.

:burn:

[migs26]

thanks violaine!

[imcnovicio]

depending on the hinge manufacturer, the standard measurement in installing euro or concealed hinges varies from 3 to 7mm. now if I were to install the hinge I mark the hole in the center of the bit. so half of 35mm is 17.5mm plus the space desired will give you the center of the bit. example: 17.5mm + 5mm(which I normally use) will give me a 22.5mm center location...
I often use a drill press for this with a fence that I can set. So all I need to do is mark the location of the hinge and cut away, I also adjust the depth of cut in the dp with either a scrap of the actual material cutting slowly and creeping to the desired depth without blowing out the opposite side. If I need to do several doors, I just put a stop block and cut away.....



sir ok lang po b gumamit ng forstner bit and hand drill(dewalt) sa pag execute ng hole po kc wala po akong drill press?thx po

[violaine]

"sir ok lang po b gumamit ng forstner bit and hand drill(dewalt) sa pag execute ng hole po kc wala po akong drill press?thx po"

????? (english ba responses ko???)

oh dear.

@timber,

bahala ka na brader.

my last post in this thread.

[timber715]

Basta ako, I prefer using a Bosch drill or drill/driver for that matter. Ang Dewalt kasi yellow, medyo nadidistract ako sa color na yun eh.
even a manual hand drill will work and tama recommendation ni Doc V. you can use the bit as a reference for depth....

[ricky]

Basta ako doc V malinaw pa sa Sikat ng Araw ang pagkakaintindi ko sa mga sagot mo hehe
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[rosy]

HE HE HE HE, + 1 rin ako kay bro ricky for violaine' s replies.

[willyfernando]

sir ok lang po b gumamit ng forstner bit and hand drill(dewalt) sa pag execute ng hole po kc wala po akong drill press?thx po

I hope Timber & Doc V's previous posts gave you an in depth view of how you can work on your project even w/ limited tools and resources. Should you still have reservations or doubts just ask for instructional WIPS w/ PICS if possible and hope that some of our kind experts may lend you some of their treasured secrets on file. Good luck and Ingat.:)

[imcnovicio]

Ok ok ok ok ok

[joey81]

Hahaha! Welcome to PHM, imcnovicio!

Ganyan lang talagang magbiro ang mga tao dito. Mahirap kasi pag written lang, eh. Nawawala yung emotions. Pero pagkaharap mo ang mga iyan sa EB, tyak sasakit ang tyan mo kakatawa.

Dito lang kasi nagsimula iyan:

hindi naman madududurog yung plywood basta sharp at new yung forstner bit..maganda sana kung carbide tipped yung forstner bit mol..tandaan..madaling machoke yung bit kaya hinay hinay lang pag butas...angat lagi at tanggalin ang wood chips..

ala pang 12mm yung depth nun kaya kahit free hand lang ang pagbutas mo eh ok na at hindi mo na kailangan ng drill press...siyempre pag madami kang bubutasan na door panel eh nakakangawit yun. pero hindi mo kailangan bumili ng drill press for that purpose..pagtiyagaan mo na lang muna.

tandaan..ok lang gamitin ang drill press sa mga manageable projects like kitchen cabinet doors..

longer than those eh awkward na ang drill press.

mag experimento sa distance ng edge ng wood at hole to be sure.

pero standard kasi yung mga soft closing euro hinges ko kaya i never go wrong sa 7mm distance.

magpraktis!magpraktis sa scrap.

pahabol..mas maganda nga pla kung variable speed yung drill...pero kahit hindi ok lang.

mag ingat!

Ako rin hindi ko nakita agad. I had to back-read. Hehehe.

Enjoy the site! :party:

[imcnovicio]

Basta ako, I prefer using a Bosch drill or drill/driver for that matter. Ang Dewalt kasi yellow, medyo nadidistract ako sa color na yun eh.
even a manual hand drill will work and tama recommendation ni Doc V. you can use the bit as a reference for depth....

AHHHHHHHHHH Ok color problem lang pala HEHEHEHEHEHEHE:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Editted: please try to avoid using capital letters bec it denotes raising voice or shouting. a friendly advice.

[imcnovicio]

hahaha! Welcome to phm, imcnovicio!

Ganyan lang talagang magbiro ang mga tao dito. Mahirap kasi pag written lang, eh. Nawawala yung emotions. Pero pagkaharap mo ang mga iyan sa eb, tyak sasakit ang tyan mo kakatawa.

Dito lang kasi nagsimula iyan:



Ako rin hindi ko nakita agad. I had to back-read. Hehehe.

I hope this doesn't drive you away from the community. Enjoy the site! :party:

k bro, salamat................. At pacencya na...... :d:d:d:d

[violaine]

i think i broke my promise.

ehehehehe

:meeting:

[Odin47]

Look for Blum, Hafele or Hettich websites. There you can download catalogs and information about all their hinges. Good luck!

[zepol]

do you get tearing problems with a forstner bit on plywood?
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[violaine]

tearing problems?

parang hndi..kasi yung blade ng forstner, parang kino compress nya yung wood fibers pababa..

pero i will try din to find out.

how about you axilla?

V

[zepol]

the only time i used it was with an expensive bit on pre made solid- wood doors (carpeneter brand iirc). i only found out later that cheaper forstner bits can be had at a tenth of the price, but in my limited experience a cheap talim saves you no money.
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