looking for kamagong...

[sadoygidi]

Guys,

Baka meron kayong alam na supplier ng kamagong, I need 2 pcs 1" x 4" x 5' and 2 pcs 1" x 4" x 4'... salamat po :)

I'm also open for suggestions in case may alam kayong hardwood na dark colored instead of kamagong.

[ernie_serrano]

baka you will find a hard time looking for the size that you want since its not the usual size, the 1 x 4 x 4 is at least a bit easy kasi thats 1 pc na 1 x 4 x 8 ft, yung 1 x 4 x 5 medyo alanganin, you might have to pay for the whole 8ft

[balarila]

Been watching this thread since I, too, would love to work with some kamagong. Does anyone know a source in whatever size?

[joaquim]

what kind of kamagong? medyo marami klase ang kamagong from all black to almost may dark part lang

[balarila]

I think there is only one kind of kamagong. Just depends on how the wood is cut. (But that is probably what you meant).

From my limited observation, it appears that the black section of kamagong wood is the inner part which is also the hardest and densest and therefore produces the most glass-like finish. The white section is probably the outer part of the wood, nearest the bark. Please do confirm or debunk my theory as it purely from a non-expert observation.

I like black kamagong with streaks of white. The "two-tone" affords you the opportunity to play with interesting patterns when putting wood together.

But the real challenge is making the subtle monochromatic grain within the black part. I personally have been frustrated trying to do this. When I sand the black part, the nice gently curving gray-black grain comes out. But when I apply oil, the contrast disappears. I'd appreciate if someone can share a technique here.

[joaquim]

yung napagtanungan ko kasi ask me kung ano klase kamagong yung itim(pinakamahal) then tiger at yung put, sya yung mas marami ing puti kaysa sa itim (mas mura and mas marami).

Didnt know na nasa pagputol din pala iyon may itim. For me kasi mas gusto yung itim tapos may konting puti lang para makita lang ang wood grain.

[jbarot]

Been working with it for a bit. It's great wood, looks amazing. And apparently there are many sub species of it, so that's why some will ask you what kind. Malaysian blackwood is one of them, tiger ebony, and Macassar ebony too. Madami pa daw.

But it likes to move once you resaw it, and if you don't clamp or press it for a few days it will warp on you, especially the bigger boards. It's also prone to checking if you don't seal the ends after resawing it. So unless you've had it in your shop for some time expect it to move when you work on it. I'm also allergic to it, so a mask is a must.
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[timber715]

But it likes to move once you resaw it, and if you don't clamp or press it for a few days it will warp on you, especially the bigger boards. It's also prone to checking if you don't seal the ends after resawing it. So unless you've had it in your shop for some time expect it to move when you work on it. I'm also allergic to it, so a mask is a must.
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maybe it is because the wood is green... I haven't seen any movement on the same wood I have been using...

[jbarot]

I think it's because I get huge planks of it and resaw it. Whenever you deal with wood more than 6 inches thick and at least 12 inches across even though it's been kiln dried or seasoned it will still move when you cut it into smaller planks. But it is notorious for moving.
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[joaquim]

sir tanung ko lang ano ang ginagamit nyo pangputol/lagari sa kamagong na ganun kakapal at lapad? Tablon na yata ang tawag sa ganyan eh. Minsan pa lang ako nakakita ng 12-14inches lapad super mahal ang gusto matanda, nakatambak sa bodega nya.(nagsisi ako bat hindi ko pa binili)

[balarila]

Been working with it for a bit. It's great wood, looks amazing. And apparently there are many sub species of it, so that's why some will ask you what kind. Malaysian blackwood is one of them, tiger ebony, and Macassar ebony too. Madami pa daw.

But it likes to move once you resaw it, and if you don't clamp or press it for a few days it will warp on you, especially the bigger boards. It's also prone to checking if you don't seal the ends after resawing it. So unless you've had it in your shop for some time expect it to move when you work on it. I'm also allergic to it, so a mask is a must.
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Didn't realize there were subspecies. When talking about kamagong, I refer to the wood of the local mabolo fruit tree, endemic to the Philippines. Scientific name Diospyrus Philippinensis. Are the other subspecies also available locally?

On allergy to it, I'm not sure if I am, but I have noticed that when sanding and some dust gets into my eyes, it stings.

[jbarot]

Apparently there are many subspecies available here. The local lumberjacks just name them by their looks.

In one of my wood runs I discovered an old log of really black kamagong. When I had it resawn it looked black with greenish hues. To me it looked like Malaysian blackwood, ebonasea. So I sent pictures to Todd taggert, owner of allied lutherie in north ca and he said that he has guitar sets that looked exactly like mine. So I figured since Malaysia is near us, migratory birds may have brought it over here via crapping hehehe. I'll try to post a few pics of the wood, and whenever I go on a wood hunt I'm always on the lookout for really black kamagong. So it's very possible that the different kinds of diospyrus have been scattered here that way.

But I don't care how it got here, all I know that it's mine hahahaha
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[balarila]

Care to share your hunting grounds? I would also like to experiment working on different woods.

[jbarot]

hi ding,

just got your message. usually i go to valenzuela to look for kamagong. sometimes some warehouses have them in large planks, like 12x12x60 and sometimes bigger. tsambahan lang nga. you can come along when i go hunting again.

the thing with getting huge planks is that you'll never know what you're going to get until you've resawn it. it may look perfect on the outside, but they can sometimes hide the wormholes, cracks and other damage like rot and sometimes just plain ugly grain that will make the wood unusable. plus with recut wood you'll lose a few due to cracking and warping. and with kamagong the quality is a gamble. but when you get a good log, mannnn:

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2296.jpg
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2295.jpg
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2297.jpg
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2303.jpg

the blackwood sets. good for 6 guitars and 2 harp guitars still looking for more of this stuff

[jarod]

Nice Super4 errr kamagong stash there J! :thumbup:

[joey]

Been looking for this also. Heres what i found.
In what i heard there are 3 category
The original kamagong which is pure black
The "bulong ita" which is dark in center and some are reddish
The mabolo which i think also is kamagong, this is white outside with flare of black in any grain sometimes...

But when you search the net mabolo is kamagong, the black portion is derrive from how old the tree was. The older the tree the more black portion you got.

Pricing
Original kamagong 170 bft
Bulong ita 120bft
Mabolo 60bft
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[jbarot]

i love the stuff! can be unstable, and looking for decent planks is hard these days. i like the sapwood contrast

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/lacote/IMG_0418.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/miels%20nuke/IMG_0400.jpg

[joey]

Nice... How does it sound? Is it better than langka and manga lumber?
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[jbarot]

well, it's a lot denser than langka or mango. better looking too. hehehe

i really don't like to get into the wood's tone, esp if it's only used as fingerboard material. too subjective (even if most tone "experts" say otherwise) in acoustic guitars the top, not the back and sides dictate the sound. the back and sides only reflect the sound waves the top produces. in electric guitars so much talk on the tone of the woods they conveniently forget that most guitars use high output pickups, negating the wood's contribution to tone. i think in electrics wood contributes little to tone.

i just use it for the looks and for its density;)

[balarila]

Pricing
Original kamagong 170 bft
Bulong ita 120bft
Mabolo 60bft
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That's darned cheap! If you can find me kmagong at those prices, I'm going to buy a roomfull!

[sadoygidi]

Joey,

Where can you buy these?

Thanks

Been looking for this also. Heres what i found.
In what i heard there are 3 category
The original kamagong which is pure black
The "bulong ita" which is dark in center and some are reddish
The mabolo which i think also is kamagong, this is white outside with flare of black in any grain sometimes...

But when you search the net mabolo is kamagong, the black portion is derrive from how old the tree was. The older the tree the more black portion you got.

Pricing
Original kamagong 170 bft
Bulong ita 120bft
Mabolo 60bft
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[joey]

Nueva ecija, baler, casiguran, gabaldon, and dinggalan... But take note theres a total log ban in effect as of now. Reason why supply is very limeted. Before you even get this wood in low land, denr already in the mountain confiscating thier chainsaw and stash.
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[sadoygidi]

thanks joey
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[ernie_serrano]

sarap sana if you can actually get prices like this in manila.

we made fireworks at TANAY kagabi and just got back kagabi,aside from doing fireworks i was there to plant Mabolo (kamagong) seedling which i bought from Manila Seedling Bank, hopefully my son (when i have one na) after 40 years will be able to work with the same wood as i had the pleasure of working with.

the prices of the seedlings are actually not bad, i bought the mabolo for 20 pesos per seedling, i think they sell yakal for 10 pesos per seedling.

can you imagine, if ganun lang naman pala price ng plants, its really pure greed why loggers would just cut all the trees and not plant replacement for the one they took from the forest. pure KABIG lang ng KABIG mentality. and i bet if maramihan pa ang kuha you can buy it cheaper.

my goal now is to plant 10-15 trees every 2 weeks. (thats when we go Tanay) why 10-15 lang? because i still have to plant them and leave plenty of time for me and May's NAP TIME under a tree after a good hot lunch with hot chocolate after... yummmmm!!!!

[telecaster]

kamagong at 230 per bft
different kinds as Jbarot said,
from those that are almost pure black, blackwood, macassar, to the one they call tiger which is mostly light colored with lots of black streaks, a friend from batangas also gave me the quilted variety

i use to get them really cheap at around 60 per bft but 2nd shipment was a bust the guy run away with my money hehehehe so now im fine with paying 230

[jarod]

Sorry to hear that telecaster, it's really a gamble.

Btw, :welcome: back from hibernation :D

[owyn]

I see some guys are into guitars. For me, it's been on the backburner cause i've been spending my extra time and energy improving on SFIV, pitting myself against others in the arcades.

Anyhoo, for the classical crowd, there's the annual philippine guitar going on at CCP this weekend. Pics from last year:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3027/dsc0284gj.jpg

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Schedule is in here: http://www.philippineguitarfestival.com/p/schedule.html

Not sure who the exhibitors will be for this year, and they're mostly classical guitars, but i'd sure like to see those japanese asturias again, exemplary examples of craftsmanship they are.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9wPROZ_ucP4/ToaItW5tWZI/AAAAAAAAAsc/OjICAy5yWF8/s1600/2012guitarfest.jpg

[telecaster]

@jarod hehehe yeah the experience was a major bummer but its ok, been lurking and not posting for a long time

@Owyn,

Jbarot makes lovely nylon string guitars and he'll be attending the guitar fest might tag along with him :) hope to meet you in the event

[owyn]

So you guys did go to the event? Tomorrow's d last day.

Incidentally, Jeffrey Yong -the malaysian guy who appears to be whom the usual luthiery channels get their southeast asian woods from is in attendance. And the malaysian blackwood rosette, backs/sides of his guitars doesnt look anything like the marble-y mabolo variety. It doesn't look jet black like the african variety used as say, in Imai's guitar either. Hmmmm.
Basta, ebony is just hard to come by in good sizes. Losses due to cracks (heartbreak!) are part and parcel of getting big pieces to resaw... Jbarot really did good in acquiring those pieces.
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[jbarot]

i couldn't attend. sayang. i met jeffrey 3 years ago at a guitar festival. he is the one that introduced woods like malaysian black wood and monkey pod to western luthiers. he does great work.

yeah, decent kamagong in big pieces is hard to come by. while its true that i come across huge planks of the stuff, i turn them away because i can tell that they're messed up inside. cracks, checks. wormholes and such. you have to look at the grain and the ends and you can more or less tell that the plank is bad. knots in kamagong is bad. and don't trust a good looking plank, kamagong tends to lie. so whenever i buy a plank and have it resawed i cross my fingers hehehe.

then they like to move. they'll warp the first chance they get. i seal the ends right after resawing to minimize checking and put weights over the planks to prevent warping. but its not foolproof. kaya ang yield sa isang plank minsan maliit.

[joey]

Took photo of this rare male mabolo (kamagong) tree
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/0d2a92c7.jpg
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http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/659624d2.jpg

[joey]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/71dc4db9.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/ef71df1a.jpg
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[rosy]

Nice info pics bro, our neighbor has one too but here in our town the local officials have passed a resolution against cutting of trees, so if one is caught he gets fined and imprisoned and the wood confiscated.

I guess the local officials here are just supporting PINOY's total log ban campaign.

[joey]

Nice info pics bro, our neighbor has one too but here in our town the local officials have passed a resolution against cutting of trees, so if one is caught he gets fined and imprisoned and the wood confiscated.

I guess the local officials here are just supporting PINOY's total log ban campaign.

I think so too. In quezon province total log ban is in effect because of the last flood which took a lot of lives. Saw some giant root of kamagong( local "ibano"), they said that theres a lot of it in the mountain.

Heres some furniture made out of it...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/2bb9bf3d.jpg
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[joey]

I score some of it and this is the finish product...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/9389060a.jpg
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[JayL]

Ang ganda Joey. Class ang dating.

[joey]

Ang ganda Joey. Class ang dating.

Thanks jay! The steps is made of yakal bundok according to supplier, riser made of kamagong.

Ibano (kamagong of quezon) P60 per bft
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[rosy]

I score some of it and this is the finish product...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/9389060a.jpg
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Bro joey,

PRE hybols mo ba yan and wooden stairs mo ba yan ??? Ang " G A N D A " grabe ka ganda talaga, sarap titigan ah !!!!!!!!! NOTE : emphasis on GANDA, LOL :groupwave: :chopper:

Tingnan mo nga naman kung maambunan ka ng swerte, hanep bro !!! hehehehehe

[joey]

Bro joey,

PRE hybols mo ba yan and wooden stairs mo ba yan ??? Ang " G A N D A " grabe ka ganda talaga, sarap titigan ah !!!!!!!!! NOTE : emphasis on GANDA, LOL :groupwave: :chopper:

Tingnan mo nga naman kung maambunan ka ng swerte, hanep bro !!! hehehehehe

Thanks rosy!
"Wish ko laaaang" akin yan.
I just manage the sourcing and combination of wood.
Thats my cousin house by the way in silang cavite. Almost finish after 1.8 years in the making...
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[jonathanscruz68]

Thanks jay! The steps is made of yakal bundok according to supplier, riser made of kamagong.

Ibano (kamagong of quezon) P60 per bft
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ang mura ng kamagong mo brad...

kahapon nagtanong ako sa mga nagtitinda ng furniture sa gilid ng kalsada...
malaria kalookan city, along quirino avenue...

:eek: 400/bft :eek:
tinatawaran ko ng 250, ayaw...
ayaw parin ibigay sa 350...:mad:

very lovely stairs bro !

[joey]

ang mura ng kamagong mo brad...

kahapon nagtanong ako sa mga nagtitinda ng furniture sa gilid ng kalsada...
malaria kalookan city, along quirino avenue...

:eek: 400/bft :eek:
tinatawaran ko ng 250, ayaw...
ayaw parin ibigay sa 350...:mad:

very lovely stairs bro !

Thanks bro. Napakamahal naman nyan. Dto sa tagaytay ganyan din presyohan. Pm moko kung bibili ka...
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[timber715]

Joey, I want some... pero I prefer them to be this dark...
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/2bb9bf3d.jpg

meron kaya kahit around 5 bdft lang na 1"x 6" boards.

[telecaster]

sir joey baka pwede tayo mag group buy hehehehehe

need some 8/4 kamagong atleast 7in wide :)

[joey]

Will send your request mga bosing. Kahit at cost basta sa inyo, no problem. Give me at least two weeks. Price depends on how black the inner core. Will bring some of the last stash in bosch seminar. Willgive it away free!!! Jack en poy na lang kayo... Hehehe...
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[timber715]

Will send your request mga bosing. Kahit at cost basta sa inyo, no problem. Give me at least two weeks. Price depends on how black the inner core. Will bring some of the last stash in bosch seminar. Willgive it away free!!! Jack en poy na lang kayo... Hehehe...
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pssst.... maganda pamalit ko sayo brader, something I am sure you will love! make sure to be there:xmas1:

[jonathanscruz68]

Thanks bro. Napakamahal naman nyan. Dto sa tagaytay ganyan din presyohan. Pm moko kung bibili ka...
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brad bilin ko sa'yo 61/bft...hehehehe...
kidding aside,
people here at PHM are on the run for this kamagong...
group buy, free sa bosch seminar, or whatever...
looks like your the man to go joey...:rose:

pag tiran mo nman ako brad,:bye1:
kahit isa lang...
pabili !!!

send you a Pm...

[joey]

pssst.... maganda pamalit ko sayo brader, something I am sure you will love! make sure to be there:xmas1:

sure sir sonny... will be there...




brad bilin ko sa'yo 61/bft...hehehehe...
kidding aside,
people here at PHM are on the run for this kamagong...
group buy, free sa bosch seminar, or whatever...
looks like your the man to go joey...:rose:

pag tiran mo nman ako brad,:bye1:
kahit isa lang...
pabili !!!

send you a Pm...

got it and replied...

gawin ko kayang negosyo ito... dami nagtatanong eh... hehehe....

[rosy]

P W E D E !!! Bakit hinde, wag mo lang kamahalan o tagain ang presyo, hehehehe, LOL LOL LOL.

[redfurry]

oo nga dapat me supplier na dito ng kamagong...ako meron kaso mga 2x2 and year 2000 to 06 pa sila na stocks...were making it to pool cues...very nice macassar ebonies....the brown and blacks...

regards
ron

[joey]

P W E D E !!! Bakit hinde, wag mo lang kamahalan o tagain ang presyo, hehehehe, LOL LOL LOL.

Hahaha... Not gonna happen... Better to gather our order para mura. Isang bagsak na lang...
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[sadoygidi]

Pag may group buy, sali ako...

Kamagong sana papalagay ko instead of plain terra cotta machuca na siding ng machuca tiles na may pattern kaso hindi talaga makakita ng kamagong

http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc424/sadoygidi/IMG_1092.jpg

[rosy]

O guys, all interested for a group buy eh palista na dito so that them dreams of yours will come to reality plus para malaman ni bro joey kung ilan ang may kailangan ng black wood na ito !!!!!! :rolleyes:

Kayo rin baka maubusan na kayo ng kamagong, hard to find pa naman this kind of wood.
After signing up, indicate also the number of board feet you need and the cuts too. :D


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[jonathanscruz68]

[QUOTE=rosy;30749]O guys, all interested for a group buy eh palista na dito so that them dreams of yours will come to reality plus para malaman ni bro joey kung ilan ang may kailangan ng black wood na ito !!!!!! :rolleyes:

Kayo rin baka maubusan na kayo ng kamagong, hard to find pa naman this kind of wood.
After signing up, indicate also the number of board feet you need and the cuts too. :D


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[joey]

Huy! Hahaha... Seyoso talaga ah.
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[timber715]

Huy! Hahaha... Seyoso talaga ah.
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oist............:attack:

[bernard_lucido]

good day mga bossing,bago pa lang po ako dito, pero mahilig din pong magpukpok ng martilyo at maglagare tanong ko lang po kung may pagkakaiba po ba sa grain kung lalaking kamagong (di namumunga) at babae (namumunga) meron kasi kaming puno ng mabolo.although medyo malaki na din, pero hayaan ko pang tumanda ng husto. may ilang piraso din ako punla. tnx po

[Joel_Auckland]

Hi Guys,

I'm a Pinoy from Auckland, New Zealand. Member ako dito ng woodturning club and i make pens using nicely grained wood. I just need a small piece of kamagong. Can u help me guys? PM me pls. thanks Joel

[redfurry]

http://pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=1704&page=2

for pen turning maybe you can look at some of my old wood stocks...perfect for turning..

regards
ron