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ossie
02-09-2011, 07:05 AM
@master Timb,
thanks hehe

@JayLo,
wow, magnetic magnet :D
madami inorder mo? baka may gusto din nyan sa mga metal boys dito? buy 1 take 1? :eek:

I ordered some welding magnets to try out.

http://stronghandtools.com/products/uniquemagnets/ms346a.html

Maybe there will be times when these will be more convenient to use than clamps.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/cyberweld_2145_49500440.jpg

JayL
02-09-2011, 10:21 AM
StrongHand Tools. Sa China production nila pero mukhang magaling na company para sa mga welding accessories. Highly recommended mga products nila by Garage Journal and Welding Web. For this reason I tried some of their magnets.

http://stronghandtools.com/products.html

However hindi naman ako masyado nagsiguro na ok products nila so I ordered some Bessey magnets too.

http://www.besseytools.com/en/subcategory.php?ASIMOID_MC=000000000001f0760003002 3&ASIMOID_SC=0000000100030a6600020023

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6iJkte3fM&feature=player_embedded

I'm still a newbie and don't have experience with welding magnets. Lets see if these works well.

john-jo
02-09-2011, 12:20 PM
ssusmaryosepp....

Grabe pala ang mga to kapag umarangkada na... Parang ilang araw lang ako hindi nakapagdrop-in, ang laaaayyyyooooo na ang tinakbo!!

Congrats to all of you!!! nakakainggit mga accomplishments!
Was very busy sa opis, may nagka problema sa mga staff, kaya loaded too much sa work namin.

Musta na po Sir Sonny?

Tama sabi ni Ossie - Storbo yann work sa hobbies...hehe..;)
Master Ossie na nga pala, Master Ryobi-very nice plants grill, may bagong toys nnaman c Master Jay...

Magsimula naman kayo ng bagong threads, nkkapagod.. ang dami ng pahina...;)

Kabayan Doc Jon... 'nong bagong furniture mo nnaman nagawa?

JayL
02-09-2011, 12:24 PM
@John-jo

Kaya pala bro wala ka nag busy sa office. Hope all is well.

Join us with your WIPs whenever you will be free. I ilan ilan pa lang kasi tayong metal boys dito for now.

Regarding new threads it would be great if we could compile all the WIPs, info and materials in one section. We'll ask Sir Timber if he can request the Site Owner to put a Metalworking Section for us.

clayfigur
02-09-2011, 07:50 PM
thanks.

if you have time, pls try to capture and post some pics of your projects :) baka pwede namin gayahin hehe

Here's my current project. An adaptor for my 2200W angle grinder. Hopefully it would work as a Cut-off when finished.

The metal is kinda dirty, I just bought it from the junkshop.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoff3-1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoff1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoff2.jpg

I'll post the final image when I finish the project tomorrow. Hopefully I find a 9" cutting disk, I currently installed a 7" disk since I could not find one as of now. But the grinder was really meant for a 9" disk..

clayfigur
02-09-2011, 07:54 PM
This are the red electrode I posted earlier in the thread.
Some are 6013 by 3.2mm and 7014 by 4mm

also posted on the pic is the nihonweld special 3.2mm

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/weldingrods-1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/weldingrods3-1.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/weldingrods2.jpg

JayL
02-09-2011, 08:34 PM
@clayfigur

Bro we'll be anxiously waiting your angle grinder jig. Such DIY power tool jigs are also good provided safety features are incorporated into the design.

JayL
02-09-2011, 08:45 PM
I purchased some metal materials to continue fabrication for my toy metal bender.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2354.jpg

Price for new undersized Flat Metal Bars

1 1/2" x 1/2" x 24" - 130 pesos
2" x 1/2" x 24" - 170 pesos
2 1/2" x 1/2" x 24" - 200 pesos

I also got the 22 mm hole I need to move the handle more towards the center of the bender flat bars. I decided to farm this job out instead of buying a hole saw and doing it myself. Hole cost 20 pesos done using a 20 Ton hole punch machine. Since a precision hole is not needed here this method is OK.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2356.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2353.jpg

Will need to do some cutting again.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2357.jpg

jonathanscruz68
02-09-2011, 09:45 PM
ssusmaryosepp....

Kabayan Doc Jon... 'nong bagong furniture mo nnaman nagawa?

kabayan john, kamusta? na-miss ka namin! :cool:

surprise na lang...;)

ossie
02-09-2011, 09:51 PM
Look who's in the picture :)
(captured by camera phone)

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/02092011319.jpg

JayL's source of new metal, they will cut the lenght of metal according to your needs, no need to buy 20ft long as standard size of metal. they are also accepting cutting job for thicker metals.

its in Pasay btw, along taft ave.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/02092011320.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/02092011321.jpg

JayL
02-09-2011, 10:02 PM
@Ossie

Wow that's a stolen shot. I did'nt know you were taking pics.

Yes New Compact Steel in Taft Ave ( somewhere near Edsa ) will cut any size and shape of metal you want. They can punch holes too:).

ossie
02-09-2011, 10:08 PM
good thing Jonathan is not around, im pretty sure that he will going to take lots of picture - -->>> stolen shot :D

@Ossie

Wow that's a stolen shot. I did'nt know you were taking pics.

Yes New Compact Steel in Taft Ave ( somewhere near Edsa ) will cut any size and shape of metal you want. They can punch holes too:).

jarod
02-09-2011, 10:10 PM
Hmmm...the place looks familiar. I thing this is the one near LRT Rotonda along Taft. Any prices perhaps?

JayL
02-09-2011, 10:14 PM
Hmmm...the place looks familiar. I thing this is the one near LRT Rotonda along Taft. Any prices perhaps?

Yes exactly. You use to be a Pasay City boy so I didn't doubt you will not recognize it. :)

NEW COMPACT STEEL MANUFACTURING
2705 Taft Avenue Pasay Metro Manila
Phone: +63(2)8317912
Primary Category: Steel


Most probably any size and shape they will quote by phone.
:)

jonathanscruz68
02-09-2011, 10:25 PM
good thing Jonathan is not around, im pretty sure that he will going to take lots of picture - -->>> stolen shot :D

ha ha ha!lucky for you guys, i'm not around...:p

JayL
02-09-2011, 11:50 PM
ha ha ha!lucky for you guys, i'm not around...:p

Hahahaha yes we do remember the last documented EB.

Here is a good read on Drill Bits. Looks like metal drilling is more demanding because of the material hardness so it's best to do the homework.

http://www.friesen.com/electric/DrillBitTechnicalInformation.pdf

I need shorter drill bits for better rigidity and increased strength so it seems that the Mechanic's Length is the choice.

A lot of metal workers swear by Norseman drill bits. Arguably one of the best around.

http://www.norsemandrill.com/Ultra_Dex_Facep144.html

A bit expensive initial investment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260461910628&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

These bits sure would be good to drill head snapped bolts.

owyn
02-10-2011, 12:23 AM
Ooh lala. Thanks for the info BB's (bakal boys!) I guess if you really need a piece of specific thickness you can't find in the scrapyard, this is where we go to.

Although the cost sure add up quick (saw the post of JayL with the prices), shoulda gotten every angle bar i could from my free source =/.

JayL
02-10-2011, 12:31 AM
Ooh lala. Thanks for the info BB's (bakal boys!) I guess if you really need a piece of specific thickness you can't find in the scrapyard, this is where we go to.

Although the cost sure add up quick (saw the post of JayL with the prices), shoulda gotten every angle bar i could from my free source =/.

Full length ( i.e flat and angle bars ) are cheaper. It's the cut to size purchase that's really expensive.

ossie
02-10-2011, 08:48 AM
oh, new name for the group - bakal boys, how about PBB? (Pinoy Bakal Boys) sounds like Pinoy Big Brother :D hahaha

Ooh lala. Thanks for the info BB's (bakal boys!)

JayL
02-10-2011, 01:20 PM
oh, new name for the group - bakal boys, how about PBB? (Pinoy Bakal Boys) sounds like Pinoy Big Brother :D hahaha

LOL hahahahhah PBB.

ossie
02-10-2011, 04:55 PM
@JayLo,
thanks again for the used oil you gave yesterday :)

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Angel%20Bar%20Die/DSC04202.jpg

clayfigur
02-10-2011, 06:52 PM
@clayfigur

Bro we'll be anxiously waiting your angle grinder jig. Such DIY power tool jigs are also good provided safety features are incorporated into the design.

Yes, i will be placing the guard back for safety. I will also add spring suspension to prevent sudden impact to the blade. So that the cutting wheel wont brake easily.

Here's the updated pic. It still needs a handle and a vise to grip the metal to be cut. I would like to make the vise adjustable to accommodate angular cuts.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoffwithgrinder2.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoffwithgrinder3.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Cut-off%20project/cutoffwithgrinder1.jpg

I'll update the pic when the angle grinder jig is fully finished.

clayfigur
02-10-2011, 07:02 PM
@JayLo,
thanks again for the used oil you gave yesterday :)

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Angel%20Bar%20Die/DSC04202.jpg

Wow, looks like your tempering steel. Anyway do you guys have a source for Kasanit or
Sodium Ferrocyanide, Na4 Fe(CN)6. this is a substance added to salt to avoid caking. If it used in tempering metals, it adds carbon to steel, thus giving it more rigidity than just ordinary tempering and quenching.

I have no known sources for this as of now, maybe you guys know where to source them out.

This is a link about case hardening of metals and tempered quenching.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=28079

JayL
02-10-2011, 07:41 PM
The workshop is in a mess.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2373.jpg

@Ossie I decided to weld the handle. It seems I can't fabricate for the stationary part unless I have a handle.

Too much problem. I violated a rule. Metal bends and moves while hot and during cooling. I did not clamp during the initial welds trusting the dowels will maintain squareness. Now I'm trying to reverse the mistake by clamping while welding the other remaining joints.I hope it works.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2374.jpg

The welding is still ongoing as I post for coffee and cigs.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2360.jpg

First pass 6011 ( resulted in PB ). I forgot to clean the metal parts before welding.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2362.jpg

JayL
02-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Cleanup in preparation for second pass.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2363.jpg

Second pass 7024 drag electrodes.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2367.jpg

Welds house keeping

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2369.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2368.jpg

We need lots and lots of practice. Newbies Go go go. Now I'm going back to the shop to weld some more.

ossie
02-10-2011, 08:46 PM
@jay,
yup, you need to assemble and weld the handle assy before proceeding to frame assy, i also started the same thing. :) practicing and learning from our mistakes make us good in welding. if it didnt work out, try another process. remember "bigote" while welding hehehe

go go go! more pics... hehe

ossie
02-10-2011, 08:52 PM
for our precious hands :D

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04205.jpg

JayL
02-10-2011, 09:22 PM
It's 10 PM. I can't grind anymore. Will continue tomorrow.

Something's not right. If I remove the spacer the flat bars close in 1/8 of an inch. It's no problem since I can still insert and remove the dowels freely. None the less I will try to correct it by heating with oxy ace.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/w2-1.jpg

One thing I could have done is to bevel the butt joint piece too. The welds would have looked better.

Working with not so ideal junk metals pose a lot of problems but a lot of opportunities to learn too. As a newbie I don't expect all to go well at once but I always keep the thought that sooner or later things will improve as I gain more experience and practice.

ryobi
02-10-2011, 09:49 PM
for our precious hands :D

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04205.jpg

I`ll get that one tooo .....

ossie
02-10-2011, 09:53 PM
@jay,
is it affected by the previous process? re: not clamping the metal?
dont worry, you can correct that thru oxy ace hehehe

@ryobi,
yup, we need this after our welding work :)

Something's not right. If I remove the spacer the flat bars close in 1/8 of an inch. It's no problem since I can still insert and remove the dowels freely. None the less I will try to correct it by heating with oxy ace.

JayL
02-10-2011, 10:05 PM
@jay,
is it affected by the previous process? re: not clamping the metal?
dont worry, you can correct that thru oxy ace hehehe

:)

Yes, it was an amateur's mistake. Anyway what's good about metal is you could heat it and bend it easily.

My problem now is technique on how to remove that 1/8 inch closing gap.

ossie
02-10-2011, 10:18 PM
@jay,
you can put spacer and clamp it, then reheat, see if it works :)

JayL
02-10-2011, 10:43 PM
They say that if you want to shrink metal you can heat it then cool it down abruptly. I can heat the top part near the welded spacer and then put a wet rug on top of the metal to cool it down quickly. Lets see if it pulls the flat bar to compensate for the 1/8 in bow. However I will full weld all remaining joints first before I tackle the bow.

ossie
02-10-2011, 10:49 PM
how about soaking in oil? i think wet rug will just melt down...hehe

JayL
02-10-2011, 11:04 PM
I think I just solved the bow without the need to heat. I added another spacer. Now the bar distances are within planned clearance.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2381-1.jpg

Just need to be careful when I weld this that no unwanted movements occur again.

ossie
02-10-2011, 11:17 PM
good thing that it was corrected by adding another space, it also add stability and strenght.

you can clamp the metal with spacer on the other end (or temporary weld it with other metal). weld tack the 4 outer sides then weld the inside part to prevent unwanted movement. let the heat dissipate before removing the clamp :)

JayL
02-10-2011, 11:44 PM
good thing that it was corrected by adding another space, it also add stability and strenght.

you can clamp the metal with spacer on the other end (or temporary weld it with other metal). weld tack the 4 outer sides then weld the inside part to prevent unwanted movement. let the heat dissipate before removing the clamp :)

If you notice the spacer, that one has the 16mm hole and is suppose be be in the middle. Probably won't be needed as the setup is strong already. Anyway it can always be added if a need arise since the handle is removable.

Yes. The heat dissipation part you mention is very IMPORTANT.

I also notice the 3/32 rods are easier to use. Just need to move more slowly. 6011 is a bastard but can be tamed using a DC welder. http://www.pinoyhandyman.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

JayL
02-11-2011, 12:08 AM
Look at the handle. Maybe it's just me getting the habit and feel from using wrenches but I prefer a slight angle compared to a straight line handle.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2382-1.jpg

timber715
02-11-2011, 01:01 AM
was that intentional Jay? :rolleyes: :p:p

JayL
02-11-2011, 02:57 AM
was that intentional Jay? :rolleyes: :p:p

Yes. Just like in a wrench pull. I feel more comfortable starting with an angle.

john-jo
02-11-2011, 07:07 AM
Hey Jay!!
Congratulations man ! Administrator ka na nga pala.
Can't find anyone more fitting for the post. More power dre !

My own bad experience is full welding a entire length of 2 meters flatbar to an angular, then quit for the day, was horrified the following day when i found the mid section curved-in almost an inch, grabe.

Next time, I wud probably spot weld in alternating equally divided sections, before going back to full welding. But still need to cool down every now and then so the continuous heat wud not accumulate to an undesirable point. ....Perhaps that's the reason... kaya mga welder sa talyer, panay and buhos ng tubig sa bawat pagtigil nila... what do you think? :eek:

Hey Clayfigure!
Cant wait for you to finish your grinder/Cut-off project. Had that in my dreams for some time na.

Then the large sheet bender shud come in handy next, shud take atleast gage 18 or 16. ;)

Start na kayo ng new threads mga amigos! ;)

beedigo
02-11-2011, 08:05 AM
just want to ask, do you guys have an idea what do they call the welding rod for "pundidong bakal"? 'coz I brought the plate of my drill press to a welding shop after it got cracked, and they guy said he needs a rod for that. But when I got to the hardware store, they dont know what it is. TIA

clayfigur
02-11-2011, 08:57 AM
just want to ask, do you guys have an idea what do they call the welding rod for "pundidong bakal"? 'coz I brought the plate of my drill press to a welding shop after it got cracked, and they guy said he needs a rod for that. But when I got to the hardware store, they dont know what it is. TIA

Bro, the best repair for that crack is oxy-acetelyn. Preheat and fill it up.

But if you need a welding rod for cast iron, you need to buy Volta brand rods, they have a rod designed for that purpose. kinda hard to find. But, I think it only runs in DC welders. (one of the reason I didn't but the rod)

ossie
02-11-2011, 09:30 AM
@beedigo,
just called my suking hardware store this morning, i inquired about the rod for "pundidong bakal". they have EUTECTIC brand and cost Php15 per piece. no rod code number like 6013, 6011 etc, just ask them for "pundidong bakal" hth

just want to ask, do you guys have an idea what do they call the welding rod for "pundidong bakal"? 'coz I brought the plate of my drill press to a welding shop after it got cracked, and they guy said he needs a rod for that. But when I got to the hardware store, they dont know what it is. TIA

ossie
02-11-2011, 09:46 AM
@john,
hey bro, you are really a busy man hehe

you can use lots of clamps and alternate welding from side to side will do the trick :) i dont like to pour water in my work place, its kinda messy :D

beedigo
02-11-2011, 10:23 AM
@clay,
thanks for the info, but I think the shop doesnt have the acet-oxide. I guess I have to stick with the stick:D

@ossie,
thanks for the trouble of asking your suki, I'll just try to look for other hardware stores that might be selling them.

Thanks again guys.

ossie
02-11-2011, 10:30 AM
@beedigo,
no problem, glad to be of help to our PHM community :)


@ossie,
thanks for the trouble of asking your suki, I'll just try to look for other hardware stores that might be selling them.

Thanks again guys.

beedigo
02-11-2011, 07:05 PM
Just an update, just got my drill press plate welded. I finally bought 1 weld stick for the pundidong bakal at one of the several hardware shops here at our place, and he's the only one selling it. And I can't complain on the price (it's 140pesos per stick!:eek:). It's a good thing the welder only needs 1 stick. Thanks again guys.

ossie
02-11-2011, 08:55 PM
@beedigo,
good to hear that your drill press' plate is now ok... and, its not good to hear that the price of the rod you used is also the same price of 1 box (5 kg) of welding rod :eek:

JayL
02-12-2011, 01:23 AM
Cast iron seems to be a difficult weld. Glad the DP table is now ok.

Here are some Stick Welding Guidelines, Tips and Hints from Miller.

http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/guidelines_smaw.pdf

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/articles/index.php?page=articles16.html

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/improving-your-skills/stick/

@john-jo

Welded metal movement is really a pain. None the less we're now learning how to tame it or at least contain it.

Auto Darkening Helmet is really a plus investment. It's very difficult to weld well if we don't see the weld puddle clearly. :)

JayL
02-12-2011, 01:50 AM
Here are some Project Resources we can check for WIP ideas.

http://www.millerwelds.com/interests/projects/

JayL
02-12-2011, 02:06 PM
The bender base needs to be fabricated. I decided not to full weld the handle yet and do all this in one shot.


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2389.jpg

This is an easy and cheap build but will be very useful for metal works. I hope other members will make one for their shops too.

ryobi
02-12-2011, 04:49 PM
The bender base needs to be fabricated. I decided not to full weld the handle yet and do all this in one shot.


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2389.jpg

This is an easy and cheap build but will be very useful for metal works. I hope other members will make one for their shops too.

Yes!! Yes!!of course I need that too and I want to built my project.... right now I'm dealing with giant metal gate and some bending needed too....:)

ryobi
02-12-2011, 04:56 PM
@ ossie here is some item that i got in binondo wow muntik ng kapusin ako sa budget hehe

Nehonweld special 6013 2.5mm 10 kilos wort P1200.00 5 kilo wort of P750.00 so I got 1200 pesos
wow ang dami nito
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture069-1.jpg

inside of the white box have 2 boxes equal @ 5 kilos

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture077-1.jpg

data setting of welding rod

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture076-1.jpg

ryobi
02-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Wow!!! and dami nito

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture078.jpg

compare of 2 welding rod the 1rst rod 6011 @ 4.5 mm and the 2nd 6013 @ 2.5 to 2.9 mm hmmm I think because of flux which is vary the thickness of welding rod
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture082-1.jpg

ryobi
02-12-2011, 05:08 PM
Ornaments are getting popular this item cost 50.00 pesos so i got a hundred pcs. of this

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture079-1.jpg

leaf left and right wort of 28.00 pesos each i buy a hundred pcs. for this...
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture080.jpg

here is other design
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture071-1.jpg

ryobi
02-12-2011, 05:13 PM
Dyna bolt 3/8 wort of 16.00 pesos each

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture072-1.jpg

Dyna bolt 5/16 wort of 12.00 pesos each

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture073.jpg

and Insert nut 6mm plus allen flat head 6x45 worth of 13.00 pesos / set
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture075-1.jpg

ossie
02-12-2011, 05:40 PM
@ryobi,
wow! shopping to the max! thanks for posting especially the item's prices.

JayL
02-12-2011, 05:41 PM
One thing I learned about metal working is that it's not all about laying bead welds only. It requires fabrication work as well.

Initial lesson learned from this bender WIP is to treat hot metal movement with respect. Bevel and tack weld as much side as possible. Clamp the work securely and let it cool down before dismantling the setup.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-7.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-8.jpg

Hopefully the habit of taking the time to secure the pieces will subsequently filter on to WIPs requiring more precision work.

In the absence of an ADH I use 7024 rods for now because these are easier to use.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2398.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2399.jpg

JayL
02-12-2011, 06:33 PM
@Ossie / eto take 2 .... sa ibang side naman.

Medyo uneven travel speed at inconsistent side to side rod movement pa. Practice talaga kailangan ......

Masters please comment to help improve the weld.

Second to the last setting on welder - around 175 Amp

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2402.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2400.jpg


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2401.jpg

JayL
02-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Finished the Base braces without any movement issues. :)

Ok na to. As a newbie I'm not expecting much for now specially that I don't have an ADH. I can't see what I'm welding that clearly.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/b1-1.jpg

I expect the start welds on edges to improve with an ADH.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/b2.jpg





http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/b3.jpg

What's important is this is almost a bender that will be useful to me. I just need to fix the crappy welds on the handle and make a stand for the base to wrap it up.

ossie
02-12-2011, 09:03 PM
@jay,
the "take 2" is much nicer than the first attempt on the frame assembly, and knowing its a horizontal weld position. you are almost there na hehe all we need is practice, be comfortable and relax while welding. using different rod has also different approach and style on welding. constant practice will improve our welding skills.

clayfigur
02-12-2011, 10:02 PM
Just an update, just got my drill press plate welded. I finally bought 1 weld stick for the pundidong bakal at one of the several hardware shops here at our place, and he's the only one selling it. And I can't complain on the price (it's 140pesos per stick!:eek:). It's a good thing the welder only needs 1 stick. Thanks again guys.

Pretty pricey, but I bet your satisfied...

Anyway, what's the brand name of the electrode.

JayL
02-12-2011, 10:07 PM
It's working now if clamped to the mini table. I could actually try to make it pretty but I reckon I already got all the things I wanted so will leave it as it is. I specifically wanted to know all the capabilities of the cutting tools, the boring tools and the grinders with their different attachments as well as the oxy ace (for use on weld washing) . The welder and the welding hood I have known are crappy even before I purchased these.

It's useless to waste more grinding materials ( have some carbide burrs ) now so will just build a stand and be done with.

Here are some more pics.


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/a-2.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/b.jpg

JayL
02-12-2011, 10:13 PM
@jay,
the "take 2" is much nicer than the first attempt on the frame assembly, and knowing its a horizontal weld position. you are almost there na hehe all we need is practice, be comfortable and relax while welding. using different rod has also different approach and style on welding. constant practice will improve our welding skills.

I'll wait for my ADH first before doing some serious welding. Meantime I will join you in the hunt for the best bang for the buck DC stick welder available locally.

ossie
02-12-2011, 10:14 PM
@jay,
hows the bender? did you find it easy to bend the metal?
now, bending metal is fun :D

JayL
02-12-2011, 10:28 PM
@jay,
hows the bender? did you find it easy to bend the metal?
now, bending metal is fun :D

Yes for thinner flat bars its piece of cake. This is what I would be bending mostly. However I can bend even up to 2 1/4" wide 1/2" thick flat bars with this jig if I add heat to the equation.

Now it's accessories building time. Have you researched some already?

ossie
02-12-2011, 10:45 PM
hahaha this will make you busy. You and Ryobi will definitely flood this thread with lots of pictures of your builds :D which is good hehe

are you ok during weekdays for tool hunting? anyone from PBB (pinoy bakal boys) wants to join? hehe

Yes for thinner flat bars its piece of cake. This is what I would be bending mostly. However I can bend even up to 2 1/4" wide 1/2" thick flat bars with this jig if I add heat to the equation.

Now it's accessories building time. Have you researched some already?

jarod
02-12-2011, 10:53 PM
and Insert nut 6mm plus allen flat head 6x45 worth of 13.00 pesos / set
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture075-1.jpg
Where do you usually use these brader ryobi, in wood?

timber715
02-12-2011, 11:06 PM
yup Jarod, threaded inserts are for wood, will not work well on other materials. the inserts are oftem made of zinc and will easily break with little pressure. will not weld well also...

timber715
02-12-2011, 11:11 PM
Guys, while there isn't a dedicated section for metalworking, I do suggest you break the to the intended topic. bender making and evrything about it can be in another thread of its own. it will get better visibility. mahirap mag-backread on a very long thread only to look for a specific item. So please start new threads with new wips or projects. everything a welding newbie needs can stay here...
cheers all

ossie
02-12-2011, 11:15 PM
noted master :) will do...

@PBB,
All About Metal Bender thread is now created. we can now start to post pictures, builds, question etc specific to Metal Bender there.

Guys, while there isn't a dedicated section for metalworking, I do suggest you break the to the intended topic. bender making and evrything about it can be in another thread of its own. it will get better visibility. mahirap mag-backread on a very long thread only to look for a specific item. So please start new threads with new wips or projects. everything a welding newbie needs can stay here...
cheers all

ossie
02-13-2011, 10:51 AM
@jay,
here's the soapstone/chalkstone(SS/CS) we bought last week at your favorite metal store.
my BKM(Best Known Method) on how we can save by not rubbing the SS/CS in sandpaper or to any rough surface to make it thinner.

cutting the SS/CS into half using hacksaw blade:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/soapstone1.jpg


and, its now thin and ready for action :D

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/soapstone2.jpg

@ryobi,
i forgot to mention that you also need this SS/CS in your builds :) Php5 /piece.

ryobi
02-13-2011, 11:41 AM
Where do you usually use these brader ryobi, in wood?


@ Jarod yes this one is for wood hmmm napasama lang sa metal works hahaha

ryobi
02-13-2011, 11:46 AM
using new 6013 2.5mm Nihonweld highly recomended i think my welding skill are better and better:p:p

palkang saging na hehehe
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/rtirona/gate/Picture084.jpg

rosy
02-13-2011, 12:01 PM
Guys, while there isn't a dedicated section for metalworking, I do suggest you break the to the intended topic. bender making and evrything about it can be in another thread of its own. it will get better visibility. mahirap mag-backread on a very long thread only to look for a specific item. So please start new threads with new wips or projects. everything a welding newbie needs can stay here...
cheers all

Guys, I definitely agree with sir timber's suggestion. After browsing the various forums and its corresponding threads, I've noticed that woodworking forum dominates the discussions seconded by the welding newbies. BUT if you'll notice again the welding newbies simply falls under the forum TOOLS.

Guys since the tribe of welding newbies or welder enthusiasts are increasing lets create a new forum,
a metal working forum, dedicated only for metal fabrications, welders and their tools, and possibly a thread
simply for showing of WIPs and finished metal projects. I'm pretty sure plenty new threads will come
and exchanges of ideas will surely pour in.

I am urging you guys to consider it and give it some thought, anyway tayong lahat ang
MAKIKINABANG dito, hindi pa magulo at mukhang labulabo.

JayL
02-13-2011, 12:13 PM
@ Rosy

The Metal working Section is already being arranged by Timber.

@Ossie

The thinner soap stones will be more convenient to use but could break easily too.

I ordered one of this holder and also a carbide tip maker to see if these are good products.


http://store.cyberweld.com/soaphol.html

http://store.cyberweld.com/pencilscribe.html

ossie
02-13-2011, 03:00 PM
@jay,
how about this? :D
made from scrap aluminum plate hehe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04230.jpg

JayL
02-13-2011, 04:43 PM
@Ossie

That's better at least the soap stone will not break if dropped accidentally.

@Ryobi

Looks like Nihon Weld rods are better. PS na lang instead of PB. Hahhahahhahhaha

If your welding is already above this category then you are not a Newbie anymore. Ossie you're not a newbie but still an honorary member. Hehehehehe

ossie
02-13-2011, 05:06 PM
i need to learn another position like Vertical and Overhead position before graduating to a newbie, so im still a newbie :D

JayL
02-13-2011, 05:15 PM
i need to learn another position like Vertical and Overhead position before graduating to a newbie, so im still a newbie :D

Then it's better we go hunt for the DC welder this next week. :cool:

ossie
02-13-2011, 05:31 PM
what do you think of my machete? :D
its Chrome Vanadium made by HEYCO.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Tools/tiktik.jpg

JayL
02-13-2011, 05:35 PM
Huh you cut off a nowadays rare Heyco West German wrench. What size was it and what type? Open, combination or box wrench?

ryobi
02-13-2011, 05:37 PM
@ossie
very nice TIK TIK flux huh!!! Machete hammer machong macho ang dating hehehe

JayL
02-13-2011, 05:53 PM
@ossie
very nice TIK TIK flux huh!!! Machete hammer machong macho ang dating hehehe

Nyahahhahahhahha ang tibay ng bakal niyan. Heyco ba naman.

ossie
02-13-2011, 05:57 PM
oo nga e, nag try ko ako sa kahoy, bumaon lalo na yung matulis na side hehe :D

Nyahahhahahhahha ang tibay ng bakal niyan. Heyco ba naman.

timber715
02-15-2011, 08:35 PM
went to a welding school, what you think?
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/P1000291.jpg
eto pictures nang welding sa loob... raw yan and not cleaned...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/P1000290.jpg

ossie
02-15-2011, 09:53 PM
just want to share this:

http://esabna.com/us/en/education/esab-university.cfm

ossie
02-16-2011, 05:18 PM
Metal price as of today :D

@Jay,
how much is Nihonweld 6013 3.2mm 5kg in your favorite hardware store?
got mine for Php400 for 5kg. pls see pic below.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/ZenithFeb162011.jpg

ossie
02-16-2011, 05:40 PM
made the overhead bracket storage for incoming metal and for left over long metal.
builds came from scrap and available metal on-hand.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Overhead%20Bracket/1.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Overhead%20Bracket/2.jpg

JayL
02-16-2011, 05:46 PM
Metal price as of today :D

@Jay,
how much is Nihonweld 6013 3.2mm 5kg in your favorite hardware store?
got mine for Php400 for 5kg. pls see pic below.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/ZenithFeb162011.jpg

I think you paid 700 pesos. Naka box ba yang nabili mo?

ossie
02-16-2011, 06:05 PM
@jay,
yes, its in the box.
what we bought in Pasay is the 6013 2.5mm rod, Php700/5kg.
just want to know if the price is also the same.

they (my favorite hardware store) dont have 6013 2.55mm rod

I think you paid 700 pesos. Naka box ba yang nabili mo?

JayL
02-16-2011, 06:09 PM
@jay,
yes, its in the box.
what we bought in Pasay is the 6013 2.5mm rod, Php700/5kg.
just want to know if the price is also the same.

they (my favorite hardware store) dont have 6013 2.55mm rod

Ah ok. Wiill call and check .

So the smaller rod is more expensive.

ossie
02-16-2011, 06:13 PM
maybe coz Ryobi bought the 6013 2.5mm for Php600 /5kg at Binondo.
i dont know about the 3.2mm rod size, if its also the same price around Php700 /5kg, we have cheaper price here in my place.

Ah ok. Wiill call and check .

So the smaller rod is more expensive.

JayL
02-16-2011, 06:22 PM
So what's good about the 6013 2.5mm against the 3.2mm that it should cost almost double the price?

ossie
02-16-2011, 06:24 PM
@jay,
i think its same thing, just the size differs. lemme check hehehe

So what's good about the 6013 2.5mm against the 3.2mm that it should cost almost double the price?

JayL
02-16-2011, 06:36 PM
made the overhead bracket storage for incoming metal and for left over long metal.
builds came from scrap and available metal on-hand.



Huh what incoming metal? Did you purchase new?

ossie
02-16-2011, 06:40 PM
from Nihonweld website:

for 6013 3.2mm N-44A
http://www.nihonweld.com/products.do?item_id=15215

Characteristics:25% less smoke compared to to other brands
Easy slag removal
East to handle and manipulate
Strong and durable welding deposits
25% less spatterings compared to other brands
Beautiful and shiny rippled bead for nice finish
Easy to ignite and instantaneous re-ignite


for 6013 2.5mm - SPECIAL N-6013 - they are categorized as special rod.
http://www.nihonweld.com/products.do?item_id=15224

Characteristics:
SMOKE and ODORLESS
FEW and FINE SPATTERINGS
STEADY and SMOOTH ARC
SELF REMOVING SLAG reduces cleaning time
STRONG and HIGH QUALITY WELD METAL properties

ossie
02-16-2011, 06:43 PM
yes, its in the sales invoice, re: metal price update hehehe my big bro wants to have a storage for his room

Huh what incoming metal? Did you purchase new?

JayL
02-16-2011, 07:09 PM
yes, its in the sales invoice, re: metal price update hehehe my big bro wants to have a storage for his room

Ah Ok. I thought you found good junk metal again. New I can always buy from New Compact here.

JayL
02-17-2011, 07:19 PM
Maybe the metal drilling skills are improving a bit. Proper speed computations, proper drill bit choice, proper pressure, proper pilot hole size etc...

The shavings look better now ....

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-8.jpg

JayL
02-18-2011, 02:50 PM
Do you guys have a good technique how to avoid the weld crater at the end of the weld run?

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2450.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2451.jpg

Here's another run. Crater is smaller but still there.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1-20.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/2-19.jpg

ossie
02-18-2011, 05:41 PM
@jay,
you can try the ff, and lets also wait for others advise.
- try to decrease your amperage setting
- maintain good arc distance before you lift the rod, and lift it quick
- stop before the metal edge

ang ganda na nag pagkaka welding mo hehe

Do you guys have a good technique how to avoid the weld crater at the end of the weld run?

owyn
02-18-2011, 07:03 PM
^ He even showed off the continuous slag ^_^. I must say it sure felt rewarding when you attain that. You could hear it crinkle and almost pops off by itself.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/2-19.jpg

Sir JayL, did you up the amperage setting or slowed your pace compared to the first pic? Looks like the weld's just a teeny-weeny bit hot from the ideal, and it sunk.

======
Looks like you guys have no problem with rust. Night and day temp difference here is rather large, and my workshop being semi-open, i think dew is the the cause of rust.

violaine
02-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Do you guys have a good technique how to avoid the weld crater at the end of the weld run?

pwedeng pwede na sa akin ito bro! master ka na din! hehe

kaso naunahan kana ni ossie sa pagiging supergrandmaster.

:p:p:p

ossie
02-18-2011, 08:52 PM
walastik!!! ikaw naman doc Ultragrandmaster hahahaha

Do you guys have a good technique how to avoid the weld crater at the end of the weld run?

pwedeng pwede na sa akin ito bro! master ka na din! hehe

kaso naunahan kana ni ossie sa pagiging supergrandmaster.

:p:p:p

ryobi
02-18-2011, 08:52 PM
Jay nice weld master na master mo na ang pag weld Go Go jay more practice pa CS na sya hehehe ;)

ossie
02-18-2011, 09:10 PM
@jay, CN,
alam nyo paano mag CS? hehehe

Jay nice weld master na master mo na ang pag weld Go Go jay more practice pa CS na sya hehehe ;)

violaine
02-18-2011, 09:15 PM
wuups..anu ba yang CS na yan????

ossie
02-18-2011, 09:19 PM
Caesarean Section?

wuups..anu ba yang CS na yan????

JayL
02-18-2011, 09:27 PM
@Doc ... welding na rin. Magandang pang enhance ng mga wood projects.

JayL
02-19-2011, 10:19 PM
The hunt for the best bang for the buck welders continue ....

Iron Weld TIG / Stick Welder

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-10.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-11.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/6-4.jpg

JayL
02-19-2011, 10:21 PM
Rillon Stick Welder

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-9.jpg

Rillon TIG / Stick Welder

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/5-5.jpg

Rillon Product Lines

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/4-6.jpg

Thanks to Ossie for the pics.

JayL
02-20-2011, 07:40 PM
Here's a good read about Riland / Rilon welders.

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/no-homework-no-reason-to-complain.html

http://www.riland.com.cn/rl/en/home/index.asp

ossie
02-21-2011, 05:34 PM
i dont like the way this caster was built:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/5.jpg


so i decided to weld it.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/6.jpg


inside view of how it was just fastened.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/7.jpg

JayL
02-21-2011, 05:51 PM
I tried the Nihon rods you gave me. I noticed that the welds looks more shiny. It's as if they use a better filler rod.

That mod should take care of caster durability issue. :)

jarod
02-21-2011, 10:10 PM
Seems you guys are busy window shopping, what exactly are you looking for, TIG or MIG?

JayL
02-21-2011, 11:24 PM
Hi Jarod,

DC Stick.

ossie
02-21-2011, 11:31 PM
if you are going to compare the Nihonweld brand to other rod, continous ang arc nya at di nagpuputol putol and mas matipid gamitin.

you can try the generic 2.5mm rod and nihon 2.5mm i gave you, and see whats the difference :)

I tried the Nihon rods you gave me. I noticed that the welds looks more shiny. It's as if they use a better filler rod.

That mod should take care of caster durability issue. :)

jarod
02-21-2011, 11:32 PM
^Oh I see, why SMAW? Cheapness and availability? For all I know, I thought you guys were going MIG or TIG.

In a nutshell, what would be the pros and cons between AC and DC stick?

ossie
02-22-2011, 11:20 AM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/2.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/3.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/DSC04375.jpg

timber715
02-22-2011, 11:28 AM
^Oh I see, why SMAW? Cheapness and availability? For all I know, I thought you guys were going MIG or TIG.

In a nutshell, what would be the pros and cons between AC and DC stick?
I would like to know too... :rolleyes:

timber715
02-22-2011, 11:31 AM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/2.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/3.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Nep%20Storage/DSC04375.jpg
Oz, make a thread for this, para madali syang ma-search... wips doesn't have to be complicated naman to have its own thread... eto ba yung ginagamit ng nagkukulot sa parlor? :p

JayL
02-22-2011, 11:45 AM
Oz , for a moment I did not think that it will be that high. How many layers all in all?

JayL
02-22-2011, 11:52 AM
^Oh I see, why SMAW? Cheapness and availability? For all I know, I thought you guys were going MIG or TIG.

In a nutshell, what would be the pros and cons between AC and DC stick?

Lots of info on this on the web. However will try to do one " by experience comparison" when I get chance to own a DC Inverter Welder. Aside from the smoother arc my main concern is the 40% power savings using the inverter DC. Ang mahal ng kuryente and bills pile up if you do a lot of welding. :)

timber715
02-22-2011, 12:27 PM
thanks Jay, will wait for your inputs.

jarod
02-22-2011, 01:19 PM
@ossie: Those are the projects I've been dreaming to do!!!

Lots of info on this on the web. However will try to do one " by experience comparison" when I get chance to own a DC Inverter Welder. Aside from the smoother arc my main concern is the 40% power savings using the inverter DC. Ang mahal ng kuryente and bills pile up if you do a lot of welding. :)
Yep Jay, I tried a lot of reading as well that's why I was intrigued on the real hands-on "philippine setting" usage.

In stick DC, can the normal outlet be enough now to handle the Amp requirement?

JayL
02-22-2011, 03:44 PM
@ossie: Those are the projects I've been dreaming to do!!!


Yep Jay, I tried a lot of reading as well that's why I was intrigued on the real hands-on "philippine setting" usage.

In stick DC, can the normal outlet be enough now to handle the Amp requirement?

Yes . Normally that's 12 ga in the household lines.

When talking about branded welders like Lincoln, Miller and the like, the specs are what they say it is. This is not true with a lot of Chinese welders. For this reason you really have to go out and check for yourself the unit build and materials used, performance and handling before buying one.

JayL
02-22-2011, 03:48 PM
thanks Jay, will wait for your inputs.

Sooner or later I hope you get one too Timb. Even woodworkers can use one from time to time for fabricating other support stuff. The new DC inverter welders take out a lot of the hassles. Normal power cables and outlet, lightweight and from my initial testing easier to use.

ossie
02-22-2011, 05:22 PM
mismo nyahahahaha bakit mo alam? hehe

eto ba yung ginagamit ng nagkukulot sa parlor? :p

@jay,
its not that high, its only 74" hehe

@jarod,
i thought that project is just easy and simple to do, hinde pala hehe.
you can also do more than what we are doing here, and make that dreams come true.
Jay is always willing to help you to start with hehe

jarod
02-22-2011, 07:10 PM
Yes . Normally that's 12 ga in the household lines.

When talking about branded welders like Lincoln, Miller and the like, the specs are what they say it is. This is not true with a lot of Chinese welders. For this reason you really have to go out and check for yourself the unit build and materials used, performance and handling before buying one.
Thanks Jay, as the provision of another power line is the major turn off for me in AC welding.

JayL
02-22-2011, 07:56 PM
Thanks Jay, as the provision of another power line is the major turn off for me in AC welding.

If you're going for it then better to skip the 4.5K AC welder and go direct to a 13.5K DC welder. I ran into costly cabling issues with my AC welder. IIRC around 4-5K installing a dedicated 100A feeder line, 50A breaker system and corresponding outlet and plugs plus a 10m gauge 10 power extension. For me it doesn't really matter because I have other plans for the line ( like bigger compressor etc.. ). But for 13.5K I think the DC welder is a better choice. You can bring it anywhere there's regular 220V outlet and start welding. Rest of the initial high cash outlay you can make it up in power savings compared to an AC welder.

moji
02-22-2011, 08:19 PM
Is that the case with DC welders? I was already estimating the amount it would cost to add dedicated breakers in the workshop and at the garage..hmmm makes the DC quite enticing..

timber715
02-22-2011, 08:42 PM
Sooner or later I hope you get one too Timb. Even woodworkers can use one from time to time for fabricating other support stuff. The new DC inverter welders take out a lot of the hassles. Normal power cables and outlet, lightweight and from my initial testing easier to use.
I really would like to have one Jay, but at the current situation, I hardly have time and money for anything else.
it is a good thing that I have friends like you :D makes owning a welding outfit less needed... :p

JayL
02-23-2011, 12:23 PM
Ossie,

Here are the metal prices from Compact Steel.

Angle Bars

1" x 1" x 2.5mm x 6m = 295

1.5" x 1.5" x 2.5mm x 6m = 465

Flat Bars

1" x 2.5mm x 6m = 180

1.5" x 2.5mm x 6m = 330

Cylindrical Tool Steel ( 2" long )

Diameter ( inches ) = Price
1.0 = 15 pesos
1.5 = 40
2.0 = 66
2.5 = 116
3.0 = 217
3.5 = 258
4.0 = 375

ossie
02-23-2011, 12:31 PM
thanks Jay for the info.

at least we have now an idea of making a bender die based on the cylindrical tool steel diameter you posted :)

JayL
02-23-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm thinking that for the larger ones 2" inches might be too high. How about say 4" diameter x 1" only.

Looks like drilling 14mm holes into 2" of tool steel will be a challenge for my bench top drill press. We'll try one and if not successful we can send these to be bored using a milling machine.

There is a tool which can find the center point in cylindrical objects. I will go check it out when I go to Binondo.

It's called a Center square and is around P725.

For DIY here are some samples.

http://www.craftsmanspace.com/knowledge/center-square-and-center-line-finder.html

jarod
02-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Ossie,

Here are the metal prices from Compact Steel.

Angle Bars

1" x 1" x 2.5mm x 6m = 295

1.5" x 1.5" x 2.5mm x 6m = 465

@Ossie, what angle bar did you use for your stand? Do you also have an estimate total length of the angle bars and round bars used?

I'm just trying to do some material costing, thanks!

JayL
02-23-2011, 02:16 PM
@Ossie, what angle bar did you use for your stand? Do you also have an estimate total length of the angle bars and round bars used?

I'm just trying to do some material costing, thanks!

Hehehehe ... Welding is Fun.

ossie
02-23-2011, 05:33 PM
@jay,
yes you can use 1 inch thick and 4 inch diameter, but 2 inch thick is much better :)

the center square tool is really nice, you can easily find its center in a matter of seconds, you dont like to make one DIY? hehehe


I'm thinking that for the larger ones 2" inches might be too high. How about say 4" diameter x 1" only.

Looks like drilling 14mm holes into 2" of tool steel will be a challenge for my bench top drill press. We'll try one and if not successful we can send these to be bored using a milling machine.

There is a tool which can find the center point in cylindrical objects. I will go check it out when I go to Binondo.

It's called a Center square and is around P725.

For DIY here are some samples.

http://www.craftsmanspace.com/knowledge/center-square-and-center-line-finder.html

ossie
02-23-2011, 05:46 PM
@jarod,
pls see below:

angle bar size: 1" x 1" x 20' x 2.5mm Php238
round bar size: 3/8" x 20' Php109

total length of angle bar used: 552"
total lenght of round bar used: 396"

happy welding hehehe


@Ossie, what angle bar did you use for your stand? Do you also have an estimate total length of the angle bars and round bars used?

I'm just trying to do some material costing, thanks!

JayL
02-23-2011, 08:44 PM
Here are some Spanish Made Grip On Welding Pliers.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2497.jpg

Aluminum Alloy U Clamp

http://www.amazon.com/Grip--145-12-12-Inch-Aluminum-U-Clamp/dp/B0015S6CDA/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1298468262&sr=8-26

Convex Jaws

http://www.amazon.com/Grip--122-10G-10-Inch-Pipe-Holding-Nickel-Plated/dp/B001G0MGVO/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&qid=1298468418&sr=8-45

Convex jaws have a groove designed to hold small diameter round objects. This tool is specially useful near a bench grinder.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2499.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2500.jpg

jarod
02-23-2011, 11:50 PM
Hehehehe ... Welding is Fun.

@jarod,
pls see below:

angle bar size: 1" x 1" x 20' x 2.5mm Php238
round bar size: 3/8" x 20' Php109

total length of angle bar used: 552"
total lenght of round bar used: 396"

happy welding hehehe

fun and slimming :p

JayL
02-24-2011, 12:18 AM
Ossie,

Cylindrical Tool Steel ( 2" long )

Diameter ( inches ) = Price
1.0 = 15 pesos
1.5 = 40
2.0 = 66
2.5 = 116
3.0 = 217
3.5 = 258
4.0 = 375

OZ , do we need all the above sizes. I just added up and it's already more than 1K. :eek:

How about squares? I forgot to ask if they have solid square tool steel.

ossie
02-24-2011, 09:25 AM
@jay,
Php1k is too much to spend to, how about 2", 3' and 4" diameter?

if you are going to use square bar as your dowel for bending?

better yet to find bigger square bar around 2" and drill a hole in the center for your dowel :)

havnt tried square bar as a center forming dowel to bend stiff bend, i think its possible, lets try hehe


OZ , do we need all the above sizes. I just added up and it's already more than 1K. :eek:

How about squares? I forgot to ask if they have solid square tool steel.


gogogo Jarod, looking forward to see your builds hehehe

fun and slimming :p

JayL
02-24-2011, 08:13 PM
Got some quality spare supplies for the cutting tools to try.

Makita 14" abrasive wheel. Made in Japan P180 ( advised by one contractor for me to get Makita - less blade deflection during deep cuts )

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2519.jpg

Tyrolit 4" Premium Grinding Disk P88 - allegedly Made in Austria

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2520.jpg

Looks like this is thicker at 6mm.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2521.jpg

ossie
02-24-2011, 09:13 PM
@jay,
i tried tyrolit 4 inch (cutting) once for Php80 and will not try it again, i thought using that disc will be much more cheaper as it clamed to be(matagal daw mapudpod and also for stainless use) by compare to what im using - bosch/dewalt disc. its the same performance to bosch/dewalt as per my experience :)

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04112.jpg

JayL
02-24-2011, 09:17 PM
Oz is the Tyrolit disk still with you. Can you please check if it's the Premium series.

tks

ossie
02-24-2011, 09:38 PM
@jay,
i dont know if its premium but i think it is, based on the looks and on the price of Php80.

i also tried this disc gave by my friend for me to test. it vibrates a lot because of its low rpm specs. i just need to lower my grinder setting to 4 or 5. ill still go for bosch or dewalt disc.


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04178.jpg

Rasta - Made in Switzerland

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04179.jpg

B&D Professional- Made in Germany

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04181.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/DSC04180.jpg

JayL
02-24-2011, 09:44 PM
Ok will take out the current Dewalt disk on the grinder and use Tyrolit. Will report back when I accumulate enough grind time on it.

ossie
02-25-2011, 09:34 PM
@jay,
did you already compare this 2 brand of disc? thanks

Ok will take out the current Dewalt disk on the grinder and use Tyrolit. Will report back when I accumulate enough grind time on it.

JayL
03-12-2011, 04:56 PM
@jay,
did you already compare this 2 brand of disc? thanks

I almost forgot. Anyway I will load up the Tyrolit disk and test it at this mini table upgrade I want to do.

A Welding Positioner. Will try with scrap first so I can get a better idea when I do the final one on the bigger welding table I plan to build this year.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2591.jpg

ossie
03-13-2011, 11:05 PM
@jay,
comparing with the price you posted below with my favorite LMS

flat bar:

1" x 3mm x 20' = Php130

1.5" x 3mm x 20' = Php254

2" x 3mm x 20' = Php352



Ossie,

Here are the metal prices from Compact Steel.

Angle Bars

1" x 1" x 2.5mm x 6m = 295

1.5" x 1.5" x 2.5mm x 6m = 465

Flat Bars

1" x 2.5mm x 6m = 180

1.5" x 2.5mm x 6m = 330

Cylindrical Tool Steel ( 2" long )

Diameter ( inches ) = Price
1.0 = 15 pesos
1.5 = 40
2.0 = 66
2.5 = 116
3.0 = 217
3.5 = 258
4.0 = 375

violaine
03-18-2011, 08:28 PM
@jayL,

did you know that wipweld's office is in cartimar? right thru your nose? i think i saw some good looking ac welder inside their small office showroom but havent got the time to really inspect whats in the store.

jonathanscruz68
03-18-2011, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE=violaine;

did you know that wipweld's office is in cartimar? right thru your nose? i think i saw some good looking ac welder inside their small office showroom but havent got the time to really inspect whats in the store.[/QUOTE]

mag wewelding ka na rin ba docV ?

violaine
03-18-2011, 09:29 PM
@jonathan,

i have a 300A arc welder i got two years ago with the intention of doing some metal works but got this health problem and didnt pursue.but i have a long list of metal working projects though God only knows when i can do them.

its just that Wipweld's welder are way above my budget.

but there are a lot more tools i need before i ever start working on welding..machinist vise, AD helmet, chopsaw (graduate nako sa hacksaw!) to name a few...

and of course i needed maybe an operation for me to work with ease...di ako ubra tumalungko ng matagal...maiipit si liver eh..hehe

but scared thinking about the procedure which will involve general anesthesia, possibly blood transfusion coz its going to be very bloody, a wide zigzag incision in my tummy, and finally post operative pain in both my body and pocket...har har har

it could perhaps cost me between 500k to 1M. mahal kasi sa medical city..dun nag oopera si surgeon ko...huhuhu..will see her last week of march then perhaps schedule everything.

that money could buy a lot of tools di bah?
:p

JayL
03-19-2011, 12:46 AM
@jayL,

did you know that wipweld's office is in cartimar? right thru your nose? i think i saw some good looking ac welder inside their small office showroom but havent got the time to really inspect whats in the store.

Yes V. I've been there already but during that time I was no so well versed with welding machine yet. Might drop by again when I'm in Cartimar.

jonathanscruz68
03-19-2011, 05:56 AM
@jonathan,

i have a 300A arc welder i got two years ago with the intention of doing some metal works but got this health problem and didnt pursue.but i have a long list of metal working projects though God only knows when i can do them.
.

that money could buy a lot of tools di bah?


oo nga docV, i've just back-read a portion of this welding newbie thread, napaka haba na pala ng thread ng welding newbie,( and still going ;))hangang page 9 nga lang ako...
it's only then i realized na nagwewelding ka na pala...
el presedente and idol ossie, and not to mention the grandmaster, seems doing very good job on giving those welding afficionados, a very inspiring and encouraging hints about metal-working.
parang gusto na rin tuloy magwelding...:eek:
matagal pa siguro, he he he, with this long list of woodworking projects baka matagalan pa, and mahirap na, baka ma-addict, ma-divert pa attention sa metal, ( look at grandmaster CN ) ha haha...
maganda siguro pasundot-sundot muna ng tanong sa mga pros and experts ;)

about your condition, dont you worry docV, ma-aalpasan mo rin yan.
and hope you get well and never recommend that surgical blade to make incision on your tummy...
e di maraming tools ka na mabibili, di bah ? :p

get well bro, chicharon ? ha ha ha !

violaine
03-19-2011, 06:53 AM
chicharon ? ha ha ha !

thanks bro...who would like to be under the knife anyway...

miss ko na (namin ni ossie) sitsaron...but of course that was the last time (last eb) that i ate chicharon..i am really never fond of fatty foods.

ot na tayo...baka lumipat na ng thread si supergrandmaster ossie...

musta na kaya yung extension garage ni grandmaster ryobi?


update pics please.

ossie
03-19-2011, 09:18 AM
@idol Doc V,
waahhh tuloy din pala yung operation mo. hope it goes well and mawala na totally yung pain na nararamdaman mo. isama mo na din yung balot - take out pa hahaha yummy.

yung extension gate ni CN, na stop saglit, na over fatigue. nasobrahan daw sya sa trabaho, mukhang na enjoy yung pagwewelding e hehehe

@jon,
you can use metal as your frame tapos yung iba wood na din :) combination di ba?

@jay,
punta tayo minsan sa wipweld kung gusto mo pag naligaw ako dyan ulit, kaso inoperahan ko kahapon yung makina ng tormots ko e hehe bka next week oks na kabayo ko hehe

ossie
04-03-2011, 01:07 PM
my first time welding using 7018 rod :D


with porosity and undercut hehehe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Hand%20Drilling%20Guide/7018B.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Hand%20Drilling%20Guide/70182.jpg

ossie
04-03-2011, 01:09 PM
second time:


need more practice using 7018 :D

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Hand%20Drilling%20Guide/7018A.jpg


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Hand%20Drilling%20Guide/7018B.jpg

JayL
04-03-2011, 10:37 PM
This is the best rod I have used so far. Nihon stainless steel rod @ 15 pesos each. Arc is so smooth.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2740.jpg


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2741.jpg

I could have made the weld look good by filling it up. However I did not want to waste the stainless steel rod because I purchased only 2 pcs . None the less aesthetics is not important for this WIP potion.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2742.jpg

JayL
04-03-2011, 10:42 PM
second time:


need more practice using 7018 :D




http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Welding/Hand%20Drilling%20Guide/7018B.jpg

How come the porosity? Did you heat up the rod first ( oven would be great if available ) .

Set the welder to very low amp and then stick the rod to ground. No arc but it will heat up the rod prior to welding.

JayL
04-04-2011, 08:28 PM
My soon to be Electric Cord Reel wall mount.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2752.jpg

This is what happens when one does not practice welding. Ugly welds.

I found out that my welds are not the same in appearance as when the rod is still long and when it comes to around half length. The absence of an ADH is also not helping get better looking welds.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2753.jpg

This one was when the rod was shorter already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2755.jpg

Need more practice, practice and perfect practice ......

I'll grind these and cap off the welds. Although the grinder is a solution it is not meant to be used that way. First off it consumes electricity, disk and most important, time. Welds need to look good when laid down first time to avoid unnecessary grinding. For now I'm still in the newbie section so am still allowed to use the grinder for patching up .... LOL :)

ossie
04-04-2011, 08:34 PM
@jay,
yup the rod for stainless is really smooth, its like you are using DC welder :)

about 7018, i used the rod straight from sealed storage. i did test the rod in scrap metal first before i weld that metal. i observed that porosity resulted on the end part, maybe i need to remove the rod quickly when ending the welds, (resulted to bubbles???) i dont know, i need to research or someone here can shed some light :)

thanks for the advise re: heating the rod, thats new to me hehe

JayL
04-04-2011, 08:39 PM
@jay,
yup the rod for stainless is really smooth, its like you are using DC welder :)

about 7018, i used the rod straight from sealed storage. i did test the rod in scrap metal first before i weld that metal. i observed that porosity resulted on the end part, maybe i need to remove the rod quickly when ending the welds, (resulted to bubbles) i dont know, i need to research or someone here can shed some light :)

thanks for the advise re: heating the rod, thats new to me hehe

I guess you better take this to weldingweb.com to get better answers. Porosity is a weld defect. Always good to get some insights from pros there.

ossie
04-04-2011, 08:44 PM
hahaha you are not alone :D
when im using new rod stick which is long, what i do is weld the metal slowly as possible :)

[IMG]
I found out that my welds are not the same in appearance as when the rod is still long and when it comes to around half length.

ossie
04-04-2011, 08:45 PM
aye aye sir :)

I guess you better take this to weldingweb.com to get better answers. Porosity is a weld defect. Always good to get some insights from pros there.

JayL
04-05-2011, 04:49 PM
This is the crappy swivel I'm trying to replace.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2759.jpg

I need a hole in the flat bar to insert the "?".

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2761.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2762.jpg

JayL
04-05-2011, 05:05 PM
I drilled a hole in the center so as to make the oxy ace cut easier. Could have drilled it in the perimeter of the circle but I intend to use the center for practice first before I cut the hole.

The secret to drilling metal is to drill at very low speed. For this reason I prefer an air drill.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2763.jpg

I also punched holes on the perimeter of the circle as my guide. Probably a pro would not do this anymore.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2765.jpg

Will fire up the torch and see what happens.

JayL
04-05-2011, 07:34 PM
Setting up the oxy ace for the cut job.

1/4" flat bar material

Proper cutting tip size is a Victor 00 ( depending on torch manufacturer ). 20-25psi Oxygen and 3-5 psi Acetylene.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2766.jpg

It's good practice to make sure the tip holes are clean prior to usage.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2770.jpg

JayL
04-06-2011, 02:27 PM
A hole saw would have made my life easier. None the less the oxy ace cut was done. Setting up the equipment consumed more time.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2774.jpg

A little help from the die grinder and I was able to insert the swivel fab.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2786.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2792.jpg

Dry fit before welding time.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2797.jpg

JayL
04-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Moji ... here's the Knipex Cobra in action.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2802.jpg

I'm making a swivel for this air hose reel too.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2798.jpg

ossie
04-09-2011, 10:06 PM
as a little caution to our welders out here and there: DONT DRINK and WELD! :eek:

http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/white-trash-repairs-dont-drink-and-weld.jpg

jonathanscruz68
04-10-2011, 06:26 AM
100 ft ravine siguro binagsakan nyan...:p :p

JayL
04-17-2011, 01:01 AM
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2901.jpg

john-jo
04-17-2011, 09:27 PM
Hi Guys!!

Real nice spool there Jay! Great work!!

@Ossie- If that's the result of wine and weld... tatapon kona lahat ng alak sa bahay. heheh..

@Jon.. kabayan.musta ka na pre..

Miissed you all na !! How's Sonny??

...mabubuksan ko na rin yon 7018 at 7024 nabili ko 4 months ago pa.. haaay..

Ganda nga welds nung 7018 dyan eh...ako mag t-try palang this holidays... kalawang na lahat...:( :( :(

ossie
04-17-2011, 10:27 PM
nice build Jay!

@john,
musta na bro? miss ka na din namin. busyng busy pa din? hehe
anong welder mo bro? yung 200A ac welder namin ni Jay, umiyak lang sa 7018 e hehe

jonathanscruz68
04-17-2011, 10:33 PM
ok na ok ako kabayan john-jo, walang projects :cool:,
konting botingting lang.
kaw dyan ang kumusta?
yung mga metal boys, hindi na welding newbies,
welding experts na, sobrang gagaling na nila.
go go go for it kabayan john-jo, take it away !!!
miss you too pre... ;)

JayL
04-17-2011, 11:31 PM
Hi Guys!!

Real nice spool there Jay! Great work!!

@Ossie- If that's the result of wine and weld... tatapon kona lahat ng alak sa bahay. heheh..

@Jon.. kabayan.musta ka na pre..

Miissed you all na !! How's Sonny??

...mabubuksan ko na rin yon 7018 at 7024 nabili ko 4 months ago pa.. haaay..

Ganda nga welds nung 7018 dyan eh...ako mag t-try palang this holidays... kalawang na lahat...:( :( :(

Rod burning time na bro ... we need more welders here hehehhehe :)

violaine
04-20-2011, 06:59 PM
update on a would be weekend welding newbie...
went to panda yesterday to finally acquire the needed tools for this purpose...it took me long though.
got the jackson autodarkening helmet instead of the cheaper chiwanese one (the jackson is anyway also made in china:eek:). i dont know but my conscience rooted on the jacksons..hoping i did not make any mistake on the purchase of the greater evil.
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/violainesweetness/adh.jpg

i should recommend that before you buy your ac, mig or tig welders..you should buy yourself some good eye protection first and not the other way around.

and of course, the badly needed vise..i only got myself the 4" swivel base quick release
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/violainesweetness/vise1.jpg
Record..the few remaining ones still made in the UK.
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/violainesweetness/vise2.jpg
please help me decide where to put this vise..i am planning to make (or ask somebody) to weld me a stand made of angle bars..any recommendation on the correct height and thickness of the angle bars? many thanks in advance.

violaine
04-20-2011, 07:04 PM
and of course what type of (number and brand) of welding rod to use to weld these angle bars for the base...is 6013 suited for this?

calling the supermasterwelder...hehehe

JayL
04-20-2011, 07:31 PM
Good tool choice V. I suggest you start with Nihon special 6013 3/32 rods. Easier to burn and to strike an arc.

In the absence of a proper welding table ( as of now) I don't know how I'm going to fabricate and weld most of my DIY stuff without this mini table

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2026.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-7.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2761.jpg

Setup approved by my Master Guest welder.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2212.jpg

JayL
04-20-2011, 07:36 PM
Today I fabricated the brackets for my air hose reel swivel

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2957.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2956.jpg

OT:

I have had good luck with US Made tools but there are exceptions such as this oiler. Try the local made Eagle. It is the best I have used so far and available at Ace hardware. IMHO much superior in quality and performance.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2953.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2954.jpg

violaine
04-20-2011, 07:41 PM
that mini but heavy duty table looks sturdy to handle most if not all DIY metal works.
but i cant really squat to do these works nowadays..is a 3"x 3/16" thick angle bars ok enough?maybe visit the local scrap yard.
thanks

violaine
04-20-2011, 07:45 PM
kulang na lang ng "Record" sticker sa bender mo bro...tsaka "made in Pasay" ahehe

love the blue!!!

havent you posted the wips for the paint job on the welder elsewhere?

JayL
04-20-2011, 07:49 PM
kulang na lang ng "Record" sticker sa bender mo bro...tsaka "made in Pasay" ahehe

love the blue!!!

havent you posted the wips for the paint job on the welder elsewhere?

LOL Power of Blue inspired by Master Ossie. Hehehhehehe

violaine
04-20-2011, 07:51 PM
havent you posted the wips for the paint job on the bender elsewhere?
i should say bender

JayL
04-20-2011, 07:55 PM
that mini but heavy duty table looks sturdy to handle most if not all DIY metal works.
but i cant really squat to do these works nowadays..is a 3"x 3/16" thick angle bars ok enough?maybe visit the local scrap yard.
thanks

I could easily elevate the mini table if I wanted to by making some legs ( pyramid style ).

Try junk shops or your local metal supplier for materials. Now a days I prefer to buy new metal. Less fabrication preparation and cleanup.

What design idea do you currently have in mind for the Vise Stand? Do you want movable or stationary?

JayL
04-20-2011, 07:56 PM
havent you posted the wips for the paint job on the bender elsewhere?i should say bender

I think I posted a shot or two on Ossie's All about Metal Bender thread.

violaine
04-20-2011, 08:15 PM
i will try the junk shops first..if they are wanting and would pressure me to find my materials then ill head to the legit hardwares...how can you spot a bad (hard to weld) metal from a good one? nowadays the small hardwares are flooded with cheap angle bars but to my surprise they were hard to weld...aserado daw ito..kaya mahirap i weld..any brand you might want to recommend?

and also where can i get the good Nihonweld rods?I do not know if the hardwares in Pasay Edsa store them.

id prefer a semi mobile support stand sana..i.e. just plain angle bars, four corners, braced on top and at the midsection.

JayL
04-20-2011, 09:29 PM
i will try the junk shops first..if they are wanting and would pressure me to find my materials then ill head to the legit hardwares...how can you spot a bad (hard to weld) metal from a good one? nowadays the small hardwares are flooded with cheap angle bars but to my surprise they were hard to weld...aserado daw ito..kaya mahirap i weld..any brand you might want to recommend?

and also where can i get the good Nihonweld rods?I do not know if the hardwares in Pasay Edsa store them.

id prefer a semi mobile support stand sana..i.e. just plain angle bars, four corners, braced on top and at the midsection.

New Tennesse Hardware in Taft Ave ( nearing Edsa ) have Nihon Weld Rods as most hardware stores.

The angle bars will be fine. Just prep the material well using wire brush / grinding disc or flap disc before welding. It will make the process go smoothly.

As for the vise stand maybe a 4 feet setup using angle bars, square tubes or even pipes. It will make it more sturdy which is a must if to be used for metal fabrication.

Try search www.weldingweb.com (http://www.weldingweb.com) for more vise stand ideas.

ossie
04-20-2011, 11:44 PM
wow! ayan na si doc! mag wewelding na, nice ADH ha? sa wakas nabili na din hehehe waiting for the wips...

may darating na kulay blue sa bandang June, kaya itineterno na halos lahat :D

violaine
04-21-2011, 04:09 AM
@ossie,

magpapanggap lang muna ako bro..talagang newbie toits..now i do not know if my "daihatsu" arc welder can do welding at all..will post a pic of whole thing.

@Jay,

naku dinala mo ako sa WeldingWeb...madugo pala dun! but great site! dami kong nakita pictures to suit my needs kaya lang mega heavy yung iba...kailangan nga pala thick metal plate sa table..agh!

akala ko pwede na kahoy sa mount ng vise.lol

isip isip muna...baka ihold ko muna vise stand..il get the ordered items from timber today later and continue with the router table..in between il try to sketch the vise stand..parang mas ok yung table instead of a single post build (see nctox post).

and i saw a chop saw stand..ok din..pero mas ok mag cut ng angle bar sa ground i guess rather than lifting the whole 20' (with support on either side)...but like i said i cant squat.

thanks

JayL
04-21-2011, 04:02 PM
A bench top or floor model belt sander would be an awesome tool to have when fabricating metal parts.

http://www.vansantent.com/multitool.htm

pics borrwoed from GJ

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/CopyofGrinder1.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/CopyofGrinder3.jpg

http://www.**************/index.php/view+classifieds/id/1527748/Torq+table+type+belt/disc+sander?referralKeywords=belt+sander

JayL
04-21-2011, 07:47 PM
It's good idea to load up a file with chalk before filling away metal. Keeps it from clogging up quickly.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2960.jpg

violaine
04-21-2011, 08:18 PM
@jay,

how can i bring back the luster of my bellota bastard file? rusty but still very much functional but it looks dirty.

tia

JayL
04-21-2011, 09:43 PM
@jay,

how can i bring back the luster of my bellota bastard file? rusty but still very much functional but it looks dirty.

tia

I wanted one of this for a long time now. Don't know if available locally.

http://www.amazon.com/Steelex-D2658-File-Card-Brush/dp/B000661868/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1303393219&sr=8-4

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/41MYblbpRhL.jpg

Did you try to soak it in WD40 already?

clayfigur
04-22-2011, 01:27 PM
@jay,

how can i bring back the luster of my bellota bastard file? rusty but still very much functional but it looks dirty.

tia

I use a wheel wire brush in cleaning my files.. I use a emery chalk on it before cleaning with a wheel wire brush.. Hope it works well for your file..

JayL
04-23-2011, 07:16 PM
My air hose reel swivel is taking shape already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2989.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2990.jpg

I'm really hoping that my welding will improve a bit when I get my ADH.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2991.jpg

No bevel single pass 7024 rod @ 160- 170A.

ossie
04-23-2011, 08:26 PM
@jay,
wow! so busy with your welding wips na ha?
ako medyo pass muna ng konti, sobrang init ng panahon kaya spray painting and electronics stuff muna gagawin ko hehe

JayL
04-23-2011, 09:01 PM
@jay,
wow! so busy with your welding wips na ha?
ako medyo pass muna ng konti, sobrang init ng panahon kaya spray painting and electronics stuff muna gagawin ko hehe

Hehehhe spray painting .... tapos na welding mo kaya dyan ka na LOL Anong electronics yan WIP na yan?

I run out of paint so dry fit muna. At least it would be easier to pull the hose now.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2995.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2997.jpg

ossie
04-23-2011, 10:03 PM
fafah jay,
hindi ka na newbie sa welding kaya dapat i post mo na sya as WIP mo para mahanap agad namin yang mga project mo para magaya hehehe :D

sa kabayo ko gagawin, modified ko lang ulit yung dati kong ginawa na constant current circuit using LM317. dati kasi laging napupundi mga led's ko ngayon hindi na hehe

JayL
04-24-2011, 01:27 AM
fafah jay,
hindi ka na newbie sa welding kaya dapat i post mo na sya as WIP mo para mahanap agad namin yang mga project mo para magaya hehehe :D

sa kabayo ko gagawin, modified ko lang ulit yung dati kong ginawa na constant current circuit using LM317. dati kasi laging napupundi mga led's ko ngayon hindi na hehe

Hahahah sige pina pa graduate mo na ako.

Welding newbies. It's a good idea to install an integrated arc striking tester in your welder. It's better to strike an arc here first before going to the the work piece. I found that it is much easier to strike an arc in the workpiece when the rod is hot already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2992.jpg

jarod
04-24-2011, 02:59 AM
Guys, I have a problem with my metal gate's lock.I can't find a picture but I'll just describe it.

Here in Pinas most metal gate has a sliding bolt lock with a handle right? Now that bolt slides into several short metal cylinders welded into the gate to guide the bolt's sliding motion.

One of the cylinders is welded and looks it had been hit hard and came down a few millimeters compared to the other cylinders.

Question is, cold I just hammer the thing upwards so it may align with the rest? My worry is that it might detach and I got no welder to place it back.

Thanks!

JayL
04-24-2011, 05:20 AM
Can you grip it with a vise grip and try to bend align it instead of hammering?

jarod
04-27-2011, 11:27 PM
Can you grip it with a vise grip and try to bend align it instead of hammering?
Hmmm...never thought of that. Would that be a fool proof procedure or is there a chance that the thing might get broken and become loose?

Sorry to paranoid to have a broken gate and no welding supply nearby :confused:

clayfigur
04-29-2011, 08:01 PM
Hmmm...never thought of that. Would that be a fool proof procedure or is there a chance that the thing might get broken and become loose?

Sorry to paranoid to have a broken gate and no welding supply nearby :confused:

Some times the Barrel bolt lock could just be mis-aligned due to frequent use.. but some times, like in my situation before.. one of the gates door is actually mis-aligned. I used a floor jack to gently lift the gates door back to its original alignment..

Perhaps, it could be the door that's mis-aligned..

rosy
04-29-2011, 08:38 PM
Hey bro saan ba place mo, pupuntahan kita at we weld ko yan para sa iyo. he he he he joke joke joke, just trying to cheer you up lang, don't be paranoid about your gate's lock.

The truth of the matter is if mag neighbor lang tayo e di spot welding lang siguro kailangan niyan at konting pukpok,baka ayos na yan. CHEERS

ossie
04-29-2011, 09:25 PM
uso pa ba pukpok during summer season? :eek:

rosy
04-29-2011, 09:34 PM
HOY dito sa amin usong uso pa, kaya nga namamatay mga puno ng bayabas. :eek:

HE HE HE HE HE, hi hi hi hi hi . :p :p :p

ossie
04-29-2011, 09:39 PM
hahahahaha :D

JayL
04-30-2011, 02:08 AM
A MOSFET or IGBT Type DC welder will be the choice tool to service that gate if all goes South using brute method. Lightweight and can be plugged into household outlets. :)

violaine
04-30-2011, 09:25 AM
i bought today a kilo of special nihonweld 6013 for 150p..never mind if its cheap or epxensive. i just wanted to try it...eyeballed, the diameter of the rod is about 3/32.

id like to know the properties of this special nihon...i hope the masters can chime in and enlighten me..i plan to weld a few angle bars, perhaps 3/16" thick. i dont know if this will suffice.

thanks..

btw..i was looking for the "consumables thread"...but lost my patience and posted my query here..sorry.

JayL
04-30-2011, 12:45 PM
@V

If you have not read this yet then it would get you started.

http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/guidelines_smaw.pdf

rosy
04-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Hey doc V, you need a welding table, I can design one for you free to fit your specifications and needs. You be the one na lang to assemble it and it will be great for you to practice welding while putting it up.

In other words its gonna be your first project and yet will be very useful to you in your succeeding projects.

Maybe a 24" X 24", or a 24" X 36" table top will suit your needs for the moment for practice welding and probably with an overall height of 34" or 36" so you will not be bending while welding, which gives you terrible back aches/pains/lumbago.

doc V, you may also check the thread by JayL re: EDUCATIONAL LINKS on welding, I have posted there some reading informations on proper stick welding and understanding your welders.

violaine
04-30-2011, 01:14 PM
@jay and rosy,

thanks braders...i saved the pdf files on the miller link. it sure will help me learn the basics of welding.

yeah my problem is the table..i dont know if i could build a table for this purpose this soon.

ironically, my doctor is planning now how to dissect me when here i am still planning to do this and that! hehe

JayL
04-30-2011, 03:42 PM
@jay and rosy,

thanks braders...i saved the pdf files on the miller link. it sure will help me learn the basics of welding.

yeah my problem is the table..i dont know if i could build a table for this purpose this soon.

ironically, my doctor is planning now how to dissect me when here i am still planning to do this and that! hehe

Huh two years + ago I was in ICU for a supposedly heart attack. There I was with all the bells and whistles hooked up but thinking about an incoming shipment of tools to arrive the next day.

But I'm still alive. Worrying would have done me no good. :)

Way to go Doc V. Keep on welding.

violaine
04-30-2011, 07:44 PM
worries=problem=sickness
thinking=motivation=good health
thanks jay!

violaine
04-30-2011, 08:21 PM
posted below the nihonweld special 6013.
could not delete this first post which happened to be empty with links only.

violaine
04-30-2011, 08:23 PM
special nihonweld 6013
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7113/nspecial.jpg

violaine
04-30-2011, 08:30 PM
@masters,

before i proceed with this welding thing...is my set up safe?
fused 60amp line with loomex (duplex) g14 wire to be hooked up with a 300A arc welder?
thanks!

i hate fires like all of you.

ossie
04-30-2011, 09:03 PM
ang ganda ng pagkakakuha ng picture sa rod :)

special nihonweld 6013
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7113/nspecial.jpg

JayL
04-30-2011, 09:32 PM
@masters,

before i proceed with this welding thing...is my set up safe?
fused 60amp line with loomex (duplex) g14 wire to be hooked up with a 300A arc welder?
thanks!

i hate fires like all of you.

Is that an AWG 14 wire? For 300A maybe minimum should be at least AWG 10. This is the cable size I use for my 200A welder. 50A breaker.

rosy
04-30-2011, 10:48 PM
Yes doc V the amperage setting for the fuse is just fine but the awg 14 wire is not, iinit ang alambre mo, better you use the # 10 stranded wire, that's the standard and safe size of wiring needed to stay safe against wire overheating.

Kaya nga niyang kargahin kahit 100 amp fuse.

violaine
05-01-2011, 05:39 AM
thank you very muchos amigos! now i know.

i just dont want to weld while i use my feet to feel if the wire is getting hot!:eek:

violaine
05-01-2011, 05:40 AM
@ossie,

kaya na inspired akong ipost.hehe

ossie
05-01-2011, 10:38 PM
goodluck DOc, pa post ng WIP :D

violaine
05-07-2011, 05:04 PM
sorry wala akong pics. but early today i prepped my welding gear.

i managed to make a metal support for the airconditioning unit.

one thing id like to ask sa mga welding masters..requirement ba na magkadikit two materials before welding? pag ba may gap na 2-3mm? ala kasi ako chopsaw but i managed to at least dimension them to size with a the grinder fitted with a cutting disc..(i use johnson elektrik pala 45pesos/pc, thin type for stainless and steel).

yes masarap magwelding..with the helmet..pero me mishap..hindi ako nagsuot ng proper gear for the foot..one foot 1.5" angle bar fell on my toe nail, it broke the nail and bled profusely...i tell you its so painful..naka tsinelas lang ako..i forgot to wear my counterfeit crocs! buti na lang i have first aid kits to treat events related to stupidity...now i dont think i can wear shoes for one week...another good excuse not to report for work! yeeeeee!

imagine, the mishap happened just 30 minutes after i started cutting the angle bars..do you think that prevented me from continuing? naaah! i stopped just before 4 pm..i painted the support red (RJ acrylic spray paint)..i will install it tomorrow.

lesson painfully learned.but i am quite happy with the results.i am a certified welding newbie!
har har har

violaine
05-07-2011, 05:07 PM
btw what is so special about nihonweld special 6013?

ossie
05-07-2011, 07:26 PM
@doc,
you need to wear proper protection at all times. you need to wear closed toe foot wear or much better to wear safety shoes, especially when grinding, welding or even lifting heavy things. what im using is safety sneaker i posted to other thread (safety gear thread) much lighter compare to steel toe shoes. its better safe than sorry hehehe we have no spare foot or finger in Panda or even branded spare for that hehehe

usually a gap of 2 - 2.5mm is good enough as the rod will penetrate more, try to clean the metal before welding, bevel the edge is also advisable if you are using thick metal.

ang ganda ganda ng camera tapos walang mga pictures? :eek: hehehe


sorry wala akong pics. but early today i prepped my welding gear.

i managed to make a metal support for the airconditioning unit.

one thing id like to ask sa mga welding masters..requirement ba na magkadikit two materials before welding? pag ba may gap na 2-3mm? ala kasi ako chopsaw but i managed to at least dimension them to size with a the grinder fitted with a cutting disc..(i use johnson elektrik pala 45pesos/pc, thin type for stainless and steel).

yes masarap magwelding..with the helmet..pero me mishap..hindi ako nagsuot ng proper gear for the foot..one foot 1.5" angle bar fell on my toe nail, it broke the nail and bled profusely...i tell you its so painful..naka tsinelas lang ako..i forgot to wear my counterfeit crocs! buti na lang i have first aid kits to treat events related to stupidity...now i dont think i can wear shoes for one week...another good excuse not to report for work! yeeeeee!

imagine, the mishap happened just 30 minutes after i started cutting the angle bars..do you think that prevented me from continuing? naaah! i stopped just before 4 pm..i painted the support red (RJ acrylic spray paint)..i will install it tomorrow.

lesson painfully learned.but i am quite happy with the results.i am a certified welding newbie!
har har har



SPECIAL N-6013

Characteristics:
SMOKE and ODORLESS
FEW and FINE SPATTERINGS
STEADY and SMOOTH ARC
SELF REMOVING SLAG reduces cleaning time
STRONG and HIGH QUALITY WELD METAL properties

LINK: http://www.nihonweld.com/products.do?item_id=15224

btw what is so special about nihonweld special 6013?

violaine
05-07-2011, 08:08 PM
@oz,

of course i know the proper protection and been chiming in that thread you or the other guys made regarding proper attire but today was simply became a careless day and excitement ruled over sanity.waah!

kaya pala less smoke (mabango pa nga ang smoke nya!), less spatter and continuous ang "burning" (whatchamacollit?) kaya lang pag 3mm na ang gap, nanggigigil nako maubos yung rod para ma fil up yung gap. i ended up melting the metals leaving a much more wider gap!!!!

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

thanks supermaster!

but i know i cannot make good looking beads with my welder...at least nagdikit ang mga bakal at hindi ko sya matanggal! effective pala ang welding! hehehehehehehehehe

(nasobrahan yata ako ng singhot ng usok ng special 6013!)

ossie
05-07-2011, 09:45 PM
@doc,
hahaha you will experience that as a newbie, ending up melting the metal hehe so practice and practice and practice...

and, use mask and electric fan to stay away the smoke... enjoy burning metals :D


hope this helps, from millerwelds.com:

Shellfish can make you a better welder. Simply think about CLAMS: Current setting, Length of arc, Angle of electrode, Manipulation of the electrode and Speed of travel. If you're just learning the Stick process, technically called Shielded Metal Arc Welding, remembering these five points will improve your welding technique.


@kabasor,
join ka na po dito, need your expert advise here hehe

JayL
05-07-2011, 09:53 PM
Welcome to the Club Doc V. :)

timber715
05-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Welcome to the Club Doc V. :)
nagkita kayo ni Doc sa club, Jay? :eek: sama kami :D :D

JayL
05-07-2011, 11:53 PM
nagkita kayo ni Doc sa club, Jay? :eek: sama kami :D :D

Sige .. tara na kayong mag welding din hehehehehhe :)

Doc V . Please post finished product when you can. tks

Oz labas mo na kasi si Bigote. Nakalimutan ko saan na siya nakita.

rosy
05-08-2011, 02:57 PM
Hi doc V, so sorry for your mishap while doing your first metal project, I guess that's just natural for welding newbies, they get so excited to start doing welding but forgetting wearing safety gears. Dumaan din ako sa ganyan, welding metal and forgetting sometimes wearing the gloves or having a pliers beside to pick up or turn the metal. Before due to excitement I woudl turn the metal or pick it up with my bare hands and what do I get ?, burned fingers or palm. :eek::p

Don't rush your metal projects, forget first posting WIPs, what sana I want you to do is give yourself a day for just practicing your welding beads, if you can buy some MS plates with size 4" x 8" with 3/16 in thickness, you can practice your bead welding on one plate, then on another plate you can practice continues horizontal application. Punuin mo back to back surface of the metal plates.

Another way to practice is to buy scrap square bars, then cut them up to a length of 6" or 8", then with the two pieces of the square bars pag dikitin mo yung dalawang gilid or kanto lengthwise making a sort of beveled edge, tack weld in both ends then there you can practice your penetration, root pass and then lastly your capping. Do this procedure for several time so you'll get use to welding the beveled square bar.

Doc V, to get used to welding, continues practice, practice, practice and practice pa rin, that's what they do in a formal training school specially for beginners in SMAW. ;)

---------------------------

Thru continues practice you will learn your mistakes and how to weld right. Have fun welding and don't forget your safety gears always.

violaine
05-08-2011, 06:42 PM
@all,

yes practice is all that i need...mahirap pa din i maintain yung gap while moving the rod to form the arc...i need hand control..ok lang ba dalawang kamay to hold the rod holder while beading? yun welder ko pala 230A, sa II lang ako nakaset kasi parang masyadong malakas sa III...hanggang V ang setting niya.

na frustrate ako ng gumawa ako ng grill, 8mm square bar..kala ko naweld, puro slag pala...hay..tinigilan ko muna...

and one thing more, kailangan din pala sakto ang mga cut kasi mahirap gumawa ng square pag hindi equal measurements..ay newbie talaga!!!

chop saw is ideal talaga for perfect cuts...but no plans yet of getting one...angle grinder na lang muna.

JayL
05-08-2011, 08:48 PM
@all,

chop saw is ideal talaga for perfect cuts...

Dry cut saw.

http://www.amazon.com/Makita-LC1230-12-Inch-Metal-Cutting/dp/B00004YOLV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1304858911&sr=8-1

ossie
05-08-2011, 09:30 PM
mas gusto ko band saw :D
walang ingay at walang spark hehehe

JayL
05-08-2011, 09:59 PM
mas gusto ko band saw :D
walang ingay at walang spark hehehe

Horizontal or Vertical bandsaw?

ossie
05-08-2011, 10:19 PM
ano sir ang advise mo as DIY'er? tulad nung ginagamit sa Comppact Steel, horizontal ba yun? hehe

JayL
05-08-2011, 10:25 PM
ano sir ang advise mo as DIY'er? tulad nung ginagamit sa Comppact Steel, horizontal ba yun? hehe

Power Hack Saw yun. Meron akong nakita na ganoon sa malapit sa Panda. Mas maliit pero super bigat. Made in China.

ossie
05-08-2011, 10:41 PM
eto, pwede na ba ito? hehe

http://www.amazon.com/414457-5-Inch-2-Horsepower-120-Volt-Bandsaw/dp/B000N8LXPA

JayL
05-08-2011, 10:55 PM
eto, pwede na ba ito? hehe

http://www.amazon.com/414457-5-Inch-2-Horsepower-120-Volt-Bandsaw/dp/B000N8LXPA

OO band saw yan. Yung abrasive chop saw pang rough cut lang talaga. Daming spark, ang baho at madumi ang dust .... hehehhehehe

rosy
05-09-2011, 12:20 AM
HEY DOC V,

If you are cutting small steel for small projects or maybe small flat bars why don't you try purchasing a grinder stand first where you can attach your Makita angle grinder and use it as a mini chop saw, it will be more convenient and easy for you in cutting your square bars, round bars or flat bars accurately.

You can get in touch with our co member pyth, he sells one and its really not expensive, that is if you are interested. He even gives a 5% discount on sulit or PHM members.
Here is the link :
http://www.**************/index.php/view+classifieds/id/3481840/Angle+Grinder+Stand

Doc V, just like what I've said on your practice plate, you can practice your beads one at a time, make rows of welding beads, its as if gumagawa ka ng several round periods na naka helera, give each welding bead about 3 to 4 seconds then go to the next bead and then the next and the next until the plate is filled with small welding beads, and maybe by then you will feel how to adjust the gap of the tip of the rod to the plate to produce a good arc, talagang ganyan practice at practice pa rin.

OK lang to use two hands for better control of the welding rod holder in making your beads until na masanay ka na sa one hand welding. Kung masyadong malakas ang dikit ng welding rod sa square bar e di reduce your amperage setting then test again striking the rod to your welding project if its easier to control.

JayL
05-09-2011, 09:34 PM
This must be the aserado angle bars Doc V is talking about. I paid only 280 pesos for a 20 foot lenght 1" x 1" x 3/16". Malutong and the metal texture shows it.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3137-1.jpg

Anyway for what I wanted to do it was ok but probably not for other stuff. Just a wall mount for the voltage stabilizer.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3139-1.jpg

violaine
05-10-2011, 05:22 AM
@jay,

safe na safe yung voltage regulator ah! :cool:

did you use expansion bolts to fix it?
i was having problems the other day when i used same diameter masonry drill bit as the expansion bolt.the hole was relatively loose.i need a bit a tad smaller than the bolt itself to get the perfect fit.not loose and not tight.

JayL
05-10-2011, 01:34 PM
@jay,

safe na safe yung voltage regulator ah! :cool:

did you use expansion bolts to fix it?
i was having problems the other day when i used same diameter masonry drill bit as the expansion bolt.the hole was relatively loose.i need a bit a tad smaller than the bolt itself to get the perfect fit.not loose and not tight.

Just plastic torx and hex screws since the load is very light.

I use 5/16 expansion bolts for the heavier stuff. The drill bit I use is an Irwin Joran 13mm. I blow the holes with compressed air before installing the bolts. Exacto talaga.