My Commissioned Conference Table build...

[timber715]

it always start with a plan...
the owner decided on the "+" design... positive daw kasi...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/conferencebuild.png
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/conferencebuild1.png
the wood has arrived in Manila today...
9 feet long boards for the top
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0519.jpg
and 7 ft. boards for the feet...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0518.jpg

[timber715]

most are 2" thick and some were 2 1/2" thick...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0522.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0523.jpg
I certainly hope that the yield would be 1 1/2" but 1 1/4" would be acceptable... so yes, my machines and powertools will get worked out soon... this would be my biggest build to date both in size and cost... pray for me... :p

[violaine]

i wonder what species of wood you have for the projectg but im sure the beauty lies beneath.

may the force be with you!

[owyn]

Those sure look rough and needs to be milled sir Timb. So now you have some means to tune the makita planer, but say, how do you go about sharpening the planer knives again? From net prices, the makita sharpener 9820-2 is even more expensive than a jet thicknesser!

[timber715]

Those sure look rough and needs to be milled sir Timb. So now you have some means to tune the makita planer, but say, how do you go about sharpening the planer knives again? From net prices, the makita sharpener 9820-2 is even more expensive than a jet thicknesser!
you can build a jig that holds the blades at the specified angle and run the stone over them, sharpening is done on two blades at once...
Violaine, those are Mahogany from Cebu...

[bbn]

Nice project Timber. What kind of joinery are you planning to use?

Not only will your tools get a workout but your back will too!

[timber715]

Nice project Timber. What kind of joinery are you planning to use?

Not only will your tools get a workout but your back will too!
joinery isn't much, the legs will have a half recess that would fit the other half to form the "+" shape.
joining the top, nothing spectacular too, it is designed to be removable and will not be attached other than guides or stops to hold it in place...
as for the back, buying and shipping the wood alone killed my back. each piece weighs no less than 30kls.

[bbn]

Actually bro I am wondering how you will join planks together to make the necessary widths? Dowels? Biscuits? T&G? Also, IIRC you don't have a jointer yet so how are you going to get them square?

One thing I wish I had when manhandling such big pieces is a set of nice leather gloves. I saw some before at ACE in Rockwell but did not appreciate them enough then (P600). Now I don't get to go there and have yet to find something at par.

[timber715]

will make do with the thicknesser for now, a jig would do the jointing for me, and a portable planner will speed up handplane work. not that process will make my arms grow like popeye :p

[bbn]

IMHO I think your router table would be a better solution but it will be interesting to hear how the jig goes.

[timber715]

IMHO I think your router table would be a better solution but it will be interesting to hear how the jig goes.
I can't use the rt unless I get some semblance of the woods flatness. so before I start joining, I got to start getting a flat side first.... besides, joining a 9 foot stock on the rt seems very difficult just thinking of controlling the sheer weight alone.

[bbn]

I guess you'll be making a tray to get initial flat side. I'd also like to see one of those. I never needed to do this because I almost always bend the wood anyway.

Yeah 9 feet is pretty long. Even if the mahogany is stiff having it laying on its wide side might allow it to still bend from its own weight ... but if mahogany is as stiff as yakal maybe not. A horizontal RT would be better in this case. Another reason I'm not to thrilled with jointing with a thickness planer is that there is that the cutting head is exposed quite a bit.

[timber715]

well the simplest I have considered is using a handheld power planner to get one side as close to flat as possible, the with a bed run it through the thicknesser.

[bbn]

Or you could invite the bro with the hand planes :) I have a power planer, one of the first things I bought, regrettably, but do not like using ... hmmm where is that thing anyway.

Another way is that workbench flattening technique.

[JayL]

Now we'll see how good the Makita thicknesser blades really are.

[timber715]

hahaha, yes Louis, I have already invited Moji to test the mujifang and to help when he is available, Jay will come over one of these days to supervise :p. hehehehe. as for anyone I know here is welcome to come over and watch or better yet help...;)

[JayL]

It's really not to far away from me so I could just ride the bike. Parang actual seminar ito .... try not to miss it guys. Master Woodworker Timber715 episode 1. Wood Planning. ;)

[timber715]

It's really not to far away from me so I could just ride the bike. Parang actual seminar ito .... try not to miss it guys. Master Woodworker Timber715 episode 1. Wood Planning. ;)
:p :p :p or how to build your arm muscles... well the leg gets worked a lot too...

[violaine]

yan ang tinatawag na bayanihan! hehehe

with the final thickness of 1 1/2 or 1 1/4", i can only join those boards butted against each other...and lots of pipe clamps.

too heavy even on a molder for t&g.

a reliable glue is a must.

i hope titebond would be available locally.

for now lets be contented with what is available..i.e. elmers carpenters glue.

[beebeenator]

hmm i use pioneer. Mainly due to convenience. LArge squeeze bottle. seems ok... Elmer's is too runny for me. And stickwell is well... too sticky.. :)


Butt jointing seems ok as long as wood does shrink or swell.. sealing a must

[moji]

Dumating na pala yung lumber mo. Goodluck! hehe i envision sore arms and backs for you timb! When do you plan to start the project?

[timber715]

Dumating na pala yung lumber mo. Goodluck! hehe i envision sore arms and backs for you timb! When do you plan to start the project?
acclimatizing the wood till Tuesday, that should give me time to comple my other builds and jigs that I will use... I might look to use dowels for jointing this just to provide extra support...

[moji]

ok..Which part will you start off with? The legs or the top?

[timber715]

ok..Which part will you start off with? The legs or the top?
the top.... it is the hardest to build kasi...

[rolly]

did you get the biscuit cutter timb?

[timber715]

did you get the biscuit cutter timb?
wala daw siyang stock na buo Rolly, meron dalawa pero sira daw... could I convince you to sell yours to me? :p:p:p

[violaine]

dowels yes!!!

..di ba we can use the router as a biscuit joiner using the slot cutter?

acclimatizing...ayos!

i never knew you have the whole floor of that condo for wood storage :eek!

[timber715]

mas mura kasi yung Ryobi biscuit joiner kesa sa slot cutting bit :).
nasa badminton court yun sa Paco, doc. pasyal ka pag may time ka...

[rolly]

sori timb, may paggagamitan pa ko nun

[timber715]

sori timb, may paggagamitan pa ko nun
nagbabakasakali lang naman... :p:rolleyes:

[mudhutdesigns]

so has this project started? Pwede ko pumunta at makinood at tumulong kung kailangan? I can bring my dewalt power planer too. :)

[timber715]

so has this project started? Pwede ko pumunta at makinood at tumulong kung kailangan? I can bring my dewalt power planer too. :)
that sounds good, join us tomorrow afternoon around 1pm till about 430pm. bring your yellow tool and we'll try it against Bosch and Skil power planners. do bring extra clothes and a face mask if you have one, lets make some dust... btw, what is your name sir?

so far, Moji, Jay, mudhutdesigns and Golden will be around, hopefully other can join too.
cheers.
Sonny

[moji]

Ayos madami tayo tommorow..

[mudhutdesigns]

Yikes tom pala yun. May appointment ako bukas. pero try ko na lang humabol kung kaya. san po ba location sir?

Btw, I'm Dominic or Dom na lang.

[beebeenator]

am i missing something. Wala bang pasok bukas?

[jarod]

Meron pang pasok bukas Ben, sa Monday pa ang holiday :D

[timber715]

hehehe, Eh di sa Monday ulit... :)
location is Court Zone Badminton, 1142 Pres. Quirino ave. extension, Pcao, Manila. close to Unilever Phils. between Audiophile and Goodyear Servitek...

[timber715]

drop by Ben when you need a break ;). Jarod will try too if he can... the more the merrier.

[rolly]

Try ko rin punta

[timber715]

Try ko rin punta
punta na, wag nang try...

[mudhutdesigns]

sir monday same time? I'll join you guys on monday.

I'll go to school on monday - kayo mga teacher ako student. hehe

[timber715]

sir monday same time? I'll join you guys on monday.

I'll go to school on monday - kayo mga teacher ako student. hehe
malamang same time, baka pwede mas maaga ng konti, we'll see. will post schedule... :)

[rolly]

punta na, wag nang try...

Arawan lng ako timb, tatakas lang sa office

[mudhutdesigns]

Punta ko monday sir.

I'll be going to school - kayo teachers ako student. :)

Finally, I found a group where in I can learn new things.

[timber715]

Punta ko monday sir.

I'll be going to school - kayo teachers ako student. :)

Finally, I found a group where in I can learn new things.
great, seems we'll have a nice group come Friday and Monday... looking forward to meeting you all, thanks for the help... in advance :)

[beebeenator]

ahhhhh cutting classes/work pala kayo :P hhehe

yari ako if i leave work :) kayo na muna

[timber715]

ahhhhh cutting classes/work pala kayo :P hhehe

yari ako if i leave work :) kayo na muna
kunwari bibili ka ng kahoy sa Mindanao ave...




hope you can join on Monday instead. Si Jay and supervisor bukas, ikaw sa Monday? hehehe :p:p:p

[beebeenator]

ahhaaha

i always prefer to be spectator. Will see if i can squeeze time...

[timber715]

so Monday build is a NO GO. can't commit an empty facility since it is a holiday and people tend to play on odd hours... pass by if you guys want, I will try to be there before 3pm so I can paint the rt doors...

[timber715]

the court cleared around3pm which gave me some time to work. Jay suggested a laser guide help me square up the boards. Well Bosch (c/o Golden) lent me a GLL 2-50 line laser.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0528.jpg
tried to locate the straightest path that can offer me the biggest yield.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0529.jpg
and with the Bosch power planner, I started cutting the material removing more in the high spots as needed.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0530.jpg
not perfect, but very close. the cut is made only on one edge of the wood and with a no.5 Stanley scrub plane, I level it across... and I have a volunteer too...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0531.jpg

[chisel]

Timb have you tried making a jig on your Makita thickness planner to plane a flat true surface boy that job is really time consuming I remember the days when I use the thickness planner as a jointer but only works on a 8 feet long bourd.

[timber715]

Timb have you tried making a jig on your Makita thickness planner to plane a flat true surface boy that job is really time consuming I remember the days when I use the thickness planner as a jointer but only works on a 8 feet long bourd.
exactly my concern at the moment Chisel, these boards are 9ft long and making a bed allows me 8ft long using a single piece of ply or mdf. though my intention was to make a torsion box bed to make it stiff and joint an extension to fit my needs.
well, I would like to try this first, if it doesn't give me the results I want, I will be off to build that torsion bed... I just don't want to spend more time building another jig at this time, lots of work is needed for the raw stock (though I know it could make my life so much easier once it is set up). making that bed requires accuracy in all aspects, otherwise it is pointless to make it... kaya, wala pa akong ginawa... :p

[moji]

High tech! Were you able to finish all the boards?

[timber715]

High tech! Were you able to finish all the boards?
nope, worked on the boards we started on and finished two only of the four. then customers came to play na...

[moji]

I see..lots more work to do still..

[timber715]

I see..lots more work to do still..
oo :p, and will be on a trip on Wednesday pa... hay naku... titigin kami ng bulkan... :rolleyes:

[timber715]

been working my butt lately... got the mahogany thicknessed. the thinnest being 1 3/4" so far... which is more than I hoped for...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1572.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1566.jpg

[JayL]

What's the target table top thickness now Timb?

[timber715]

What's the target table top thickness now Timb?
so far I hope I can maximize at 1 3/4" but realistic would be 1 5/8", any of which is better than 1 1/2" which was my primary target.
now, If only I can get a biscuit cutter or maybe borrow one from Chisel...

[timber715]

got one side straightened using a cs and a straight guide... tomorrow, I will square the last side with the TS. not perfect but I believe it would be very close. so I would need to start jointing, and without a biscuit joiner I decide I would use dowels. I start making a dowel jig that I can use...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1585.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1584.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1583.jpg
and a drill with a stop...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1588.jpg

[timber715]

and with that I can make this...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1589.jpg
the previous holes were from the imperfect one... but the last one works to a tee... accurate to the line...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1586.jpg
I hope it works...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1581.jpg

[JayL]

I'm thinking that probably the use of dowels will make the jointed table top stronger compared to using biscuits. I might be wrong.

[timber715]

I'm thinking that probably the use of dowels will make the jointed table top stronger compared to using biscuits. I might be wrong.
biscuits are there for guide use only and offers little strength, but dowels do add strength that can rival tenons of the same dimensions... thus, it is much better to use, but not as easy as a biscuit to align...

[JayL]

Considering the size of the table top as well as it's thickness then I would choose dowels.

[timber715]

brought the 4100 to the site and cut the last side to make the stocks square. they were not perfect but very close that a Stanley no. 7 could do the trick... and the engineering square is a must! that is if you want a flat top...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1590.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1593.jpg
got 9 dowels into this joint and it fits greeeeat!
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1592.jpg

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1594.jpg
the rest of the bunch waiting to get glued, but still a lot of work to get then tight fitting...

[moji]

You need more clamps! hehe

I guess your dowel jig really works! Those lines look lined up real straight.

[timber715]

You need more clamps! hehe

I guess your dowel jig really works! Those lines look lined up real straight.
hehehe, huhuhu. oo... ;)
but I can clamp three stocks with what I have. so what I plan to do is clamp 3 boards on one end and the other 3 in another stage. that way I can use less clamps to put them together and the glued boards will act as cauls... ;);)

[moji]

How will you do final clamping when you assemble the whole table top?

[timber715]

How will you do final clamping when you assemble the whole table top?
well with the dowels to guide them in place, plus making sure that the joints are square, I feel confident I can have this done with as little as 4 clamps. got two 6ft pipe clamps and two showa 54" clamps... maybe one or two more will do... hehehe reason enough to buy new clamps :p

[moji]

Haha tama! How are the showa clamps? Are they still holding up?

[timber715]

Haha tama! How are the showa clamps? Are they still holding up?
haven't tried them yet...

[beebeenator]

thats such a simple dowel alignment jig. The one i had in mind was kinda complicated.

Thanks!

[timber715]

thats such a simple dowel alignment jig. The one i had in mind was kinda complicated.

Thanks!
needed a fixed space for the dowels which was 3/4" and with that, all I needed to align was one more axis... it works great, very simple to build. got the two halves of the table top glued already. will clamp the whole top bukas...

[timber715]

had a guest in the work area...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1622.jpg
Moji, came and help start leveling my top (though we started leveling the bottom first). his scrub plane made the work so much faster taking shavings as thick as 1/8" thick...
here are the top pictures not yet jointed in the middle...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1623.jpg
with the showa clamp just holding the boards together (the clamp is real sweet to use and has all the torque I need)...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1621.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1624.jpg

[moji]

Haha you got a shot of me pala..buti di ako nakatingin baka nakapikit uli!

[timber715]

Haha you got a shot of me pala..buti di ako nakatingin baka nakapikit uli!
:p :p ;) ;)

[timber715]

got the last piece joined
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/timber715/IMG_1663.jpg
and started handplaning the top with the clamps in place, sayang kasi oras while waiting for glue to dry eh...
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/timber715/IMG_1661-1.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/timber715/IMG_1662.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/timber715/IMG_1665-1.jpg

[moji]

Bilib talaga ako sa dowels mo..It really was precise. Goodluck on planing the top and bottom. Or have you decided to go with the router method?

[timber715]

the top was a breeze to level, but the bottom will be like hell. for those who think hand planing is like zen meditation, would you want to have a meditating session with me? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :p

[JayL]

Hope I get chance to see the planes in action ...

Astig talaga yun mga Showa bar clamps. Come to think about it the price of Pony pipe clamps w/ the pipes is expensive also .. better to add some more and get the Showas.

[timber715]

Hope I get chance to see the planes in action ...

Astig talaga yun mga Showa bar clamps. Come to think about it the price of Pony pipe clamps w/ the pipes is expensive also .. better to add some more and get the Showas.
in fact Jay, the Showa will come out cheaper than the Ponies and pipes depending on the length... that was my consideration too before buying them, and glad I did because these clamps are real bears and very easy to use...

[moji]

the top was a breeze to level, but the bottom will be like hell. for those who think hand planing is like zen meditation, would you want to have a meditating session with me? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :p

Gym session is more like it hahaha!

[timber715]

Gym session is more like it hahaha!
hahaha, :p :p :p :p

[mudhutdesigns]

Gusto ko matuto mag hand plane. Zero knowledge ako. Pwede ba ko sir pumunta pag nag hand plane session kayo to learn? when ba next session?

[timber715]

today, come Dom and join me...;);)

[beebeenator]

how i wish you lived in QC timber.. hehehe

i can scrub plane but my jack plane snags... well the blade isnt sharpened yet :P

[timber715]

how i wish you lived in QC timber.. hehehe

i can scrub plane but my jack plane snags... well the blade isnt sharpened yet :P
Ben, if you can drop by today, I will bring my Veritas MKII for you to sharpen your blades...

[beebeenator]

thanks Timber. Life is mean i dont have time. Any chance you guys are free on wodenesday's inaguration? i might squeeze in some time between working on the aquarium stand and being with the baby :)

i might make a jig by copying the veritas one too

[timber715]

will be out wood hunting on Wed. Ben, will only bring it today if you are coming including my stones. next sched would be Thursday...

[beebeenator]

Unfortunately i cant today. thanks for the offer :(

[timber715]

Unfortunately i cant today. thanks for the offer :(
too bad, di talaga mag-tugma schedules natin... :mad: maybe next time is a charm... :)

[mudhutdesigns]

sir sorry wasn't able to drop by today. coding din ako eh. started to do na lang my next RT and DIY TS combo.

Drop by ako thurs if free sched ko.

[timber715]

no worries Dom, got lots of work done today. mostly flattening the top using hand planes. got the edges cut off a bit and still have 5" more spare.leveled the front, marked the edges and leveled the bottom...
the bottom pics.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1674.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1673.jpg

the top pics.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1680.jpg

[timber715]

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1679.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1678.jpg
a view of the side, revealing the straightness of the top but sides needing correction.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1676.jpg
and half of the waste we removed today...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1677.jpg

[mudhutdesigns]

galing! I hope i can drop by this thurs. Need to learn hand planing really soon!

[timber715]

galing! I hope i can drop by this thurs. Need to learn hand planing really soon!
do you have a no.4(smoother)? if you do, bring it, this is a great time to learn some tricks. work isn't demanding anymore like today. those who want to come... come. those who need sharpening, advise me early so I can bring mine.

[beebeenator]

would a huge ars* router planing jig work off the bat without rough planing

That sure looks real flat :)

I plan to make an office table inspired by the traditional workbench design and making panels flat would be a great skill for that ... just dont know what my co workers will say... or my boss... hahaha

[JayL]

Go for it Bee ....... ;)

[timber715]

Yes, Ben, a router jig should work off the bat. thought about it too, but set up could be a pain with the enormity of my build.
you already got the everything you need (jointer, thicknesser, skill and knowledge) you don't need a router jig imho...

[mudhutdesigns]

do you have a no.4(smoother)? if you do, bring it, this is a great time to learn some tricks. work isn't demanding anymore like today. those who want to come... come. those who need sharpening, advise me early so I can bring mine.

sorry sir wala pa kong hand plane na kahit ano. I dont know what to get pa. hehehe the only planer i have is the "yellow" one. :p

[timber715]

got two hours free, I cut the initial shape, will be using the router on it soon. also got it smooth with the no.4. bukas, I intend to start sanding... or maybe routering... (sorry for the cellphone pictures)
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0546.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0547.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0545.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0544.jpg

[moji]

Your table is taking shape nicely..

You went wood hunting today?

[timber715]

yes, but did not find what I needed... not much to choose from and priced high

[moji]

yes, but did not find what I needed... not much to choose from and priced high

You went to the pasig store?

[timber715]

nope, went to a friend in Antipolo. dunno where he took me though, but the selection ain't much to bother with.

[timber715]

today I made an electric guitar for a rock star...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1686.jpg
hehehe, it is a circle jig for my router to cut the rounded corner of the table top.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1687.jpg
making the cut in several passes...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1681.jpg

[timber715]

slowly to avoid tear and keep the bit cool...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1682.jpg
did both sides...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1695-1.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1693.jpg
then I marked it again...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1699.jpg

[timber715]

you see, I wanted the slope under the top. and with my trusty no.5, I planed until I hit the lines.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1701.jpg
I only did the ends today, tomorrow I will do the sides...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1703.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1705.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1706-1.jpg
bukas naman ulit...

[moji]

Lot's of work for the slope but i think its worth it...

[timber715]

Lot's of work for the slope but i think its worth it...
yeah, but the work ain't as bad as you think.

[bobbypage1]

Very nice slopes timb. May penalty ba pag tinamaan ka ng bola?hehe

btw (OT)
remember the wood supplier i was telling you about, in pioneer st.? just in case you haven't passed by, it's Rose Industries, inc.

Their mains are Acasia, Mahogany & Molave. Raw.forms.

[timber715]

been there before Ramon, although they have a nice variety like Spanish Cedar, Mahogany and Dao, the prices they have are very high considering their stuff is very rough and air dried only...

[timber715]

did the slopes on the sides and wet the surface to raise the grain...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1713.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1716.jpg
and sanded to dry...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1717.jpg
then I am ready to stain.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1718.jpg

[timber715]

apply stain I did and wiped off the excess after 10 minutes...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1722.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1723.jpg
made sure the endgrain is fully covered...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1721.jpg
please keep in mind that this is the bottom portion of the top...

[timber715]

sanded the top then some hand plane work and sanded with 80 grit then sanded with 120 grit, after which I stained it.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1704.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1702.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1705-1.jpg
all was ok until I noticed under the light that some portion took stain more than some parts.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1706-2.jpg
after giving it four hours to dry a bit I used a scrubbing pad and spread the stain evenly, I am very pleased with the result so far and the portion with less stain will be evened out once a primary finish is applied and glazed... bukas naman yun.

[moji]

Isn't that the common problem with mahogany? It stains unevenly.. how come you did not use sanding sealer first before staining?

[timber715]

I wanted two layers of stain to begin with so it would be deeper and darker. So having an initial stain will give me the luster I seek with the stain over the sealer will be there to make it slightly darker and even...

[moji]

Oh ok..is the nice grain still noticeable with the dark stain?

[timber715]

very nice Moji, very nice...

[moji]

I already want to see it again in person..i like the shade of the stain..couple that with the nice grain..it would probably look awesome when finished..

[JayL]

I was just wondering about work sequence. I was with the idea that all woodworking should be done before starting the finishing work. Timber must have a very good reason to start applying finish on the top before starting work on the legs.

[timber715]

I was just wondering about work sequence. I was with the idea that all woodworking should be done before starting the finishing work. Timber must have a very good reason to start applying finish on the top before starting work on the legs.
the top is a totally different piece, so finishing it is the correct thing to do since it will receive more attention in finishing than the legs. Way more.

Moji, let me know when you can visit, best if you can pass by bukas before I start sealing it... the trick about scrubbing pad is something I can tell you and you can feel.

[moji]

I don't think i can pass by there anytime this week..maybe you can teach me the scrubbing pad technique when you do the legs..

[timber715]

sige, but only if I would do that step on it. it is a bit tedious but very fulfilling once you see and feel the finish.

[moji]

What scrubbing pad do you use for it? Does it have to be a certain type or any will do?

[timber715]

seems any will do fine...

[timber715]

here is the picture from yesterdays work, sanding sealer dried...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0002.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0005.jpg
scrubbing pad and a spritzer bottle with water and a small amount of dish washing detergent...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0006.jpg
a little elbow grease and remove the high spots and uneven finish and leveled it to be without shine...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0010.jpg

[timber715]

then comes glazing...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0012.jpg
wipe off the excess and let dry...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0018.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0019.jpg
five hours later and no longer tacky, I start with the scrubbing pad again and leveled the glaze...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0024.jpg

[timber715]

this is how I left it to further dry...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0022.jpg
while I was waiting for the glaze to dry, I started cutting the leg blanks to size...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0020.jpg
brought it home, hopefully I can work on it during this weekend...

[beebeenator]

Timber,

did you thin out the stain when glazing

and

what brand stain did you use?

[moji]

Master mo na talga ang pag stain timb!

Is your scrubbing pad with water technique just for the sanding sealer? Will this work with poly too?

[JayL]

Looks like the harder part of the project is almost done.

[timber715]

Ben,
the glaze is applied from the can, I use Ace stains and am very happy with them. I have tried 3 others and even though this one cost more, I prefer it over others.

Moji, thanks bro. it should work for poly and water with soap is highly needed specially with poly.

Jay,
looks like it, but applying the final 3 coats of poly will be my challenge...

[timber715]

setting up shop... getting ready for tomorrow's work... dang this thing is really heavy, got the 2012nb on top of my workbench. added a dc which can only get 70% imo... and did some test cuts...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0026.jpg
Happiness is a snipe free thicknesser...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0027.jpg
and yes that is the wall...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0028.jpg

[JayL]

Happiness is a snipe free thicknesser...

;) Good tools bro, cry once.

[timber715]

Happiness is a snipe free thicknesser...

;) Good tools bro, cry once.
:) I actually don't remember paying a big amount nowadays, all I know is I am happy with what I got... ;);)

[timber715]

got 4 boards milled but not to uniform size yet...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0030.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0029.jpg
for the top I filled 6 of the largest trash bags with wood from shavings and dust, today I am into 1/4 of another, can you imagine how big my muscles would be if I hand planed these? :eek:
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0031.jpg

[timber715]

started the first thick coat of satin poly, brushed on...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0035.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0038.jpg
wanted to show this pictures since there are lots of imperfections on the poly...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0039.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0040.jpg

[timber715]

with all my materials at home, got nothing to do but watch poly dry... with Golden. hahahaha
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0041.jpg
poly is settling well and imperfections are flattening...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0042.jpg
after another 3 hours...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0043.jpg
after 5 hours...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0047.jpg

[rolly]

very nice timb

[timber715]

thanks Rolly, where have you been? its been a while...

[rolly]

oo nga eh, been very busy, im getting married in 2 weeks, at ako ang tumitira ng lahat. . .

[timber715]

Wow, congrats bro... you should stop woodworking for this time... instead, you should be preying hard... hahaha biro lang. drop by every now and then and we look forward to have you back after the honeymoon... :cool:

[moji]

Your poly looks great! With such a large surface area im impressed that there are little air bubbles.

How do you prevent bubbles normally present when brushing on poly?

[timber715]

I watch them with a tiger eye Moji, I think it scares the bubbles away... :p
Frankly, I just brush it on with the small bubbles and the second or third strokes burst them away. I am not very particular at this point since most of this will be sanded away... again...
three more coats and the same steps... haaay :p

[jarod]

after 5 hours...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0047.jpg
This is great! The finish is just like my dining table (which I bought).

I never thought that it would come down to this finish. I sometimes gaze on my dining table how it was finished and now I know. Thought that it was finished with a matte varnish (if such exists) as most sample poly coats I see on hardware are so d@rn shiny and thick.

[timber715]

thanks Jarod, I have been looking for you to play badminton so I can show it to you... the ACE Satin Poly is really nice... the next coats will be thinned na so as to avoid bubbles and t keep it a thin layer na lang...

[moji]

Is this the regular oil based poly?

[timber715]

Yes but Satin finish...

[beebeenator]

nice work Timber. I am jotting down notes since i have been commissioned to make an 8 seater breakfast table... well more of an offer than commission.. a housewarming gift to my bro

also Rolly CONGRATS!!! =)

[timber715]

thanks Bee...

today I started to sand it down again... first grit is 320...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0054.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0056.jpg
then after is 400 grit (dry).
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0059.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0062.jpg

[timber715]

the irregularities can be clearly seen as the top has been sanded, wiped it clean three times... then I started to apply another coat of poly, this time thinned with paint thinner around 20%.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0063.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0064.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0065.jpg
it dries faster this time, unfortunately I didn't have time to wait for it to dry. 1130pm na kasi eh...

[moji]

When sanding the poly, is it not critical to sand it down flat before adding the next coat?

[timber715]

When sanding the poly, is it not critical to sand it down flat before adding the next coat?
no, it isn't critical. I planned this process bec I wanted most of the open grain to be filled. hence the thick fist coat. and to make sure it gets good coverage I flooded some parts, thats why I had to go to this step. if your materials is perfect already, you can go straight to thinned poly and apply as preferred...

[moji]

Oh ok. of all the finishes, brushed on poly is the hardest to apply for me. I can never get it smooth and defect free.

[timber715]

Oh ok. of all the finishes, brushed on poly is the hardest to apply for me. I can never get it smooth and defect free.
I reckon, this would be easier and better sprayed. and since you are better than me at spraying paint, I think you should give it another try...

[moji]

My only concern with spraying poly is it dries slow..im afraid i might make the garage all sticky with poly overspray..

[timber715]

cover the floor with newspaper, as for drying time, I guess the more thinner you use the faster it dries. now the biggest concern imho is that if you don't have an enclosed area from dust and air circulation is contamination while drying.
this is what I did to prevent people from touching it out of curiosity or lack of care...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0068.jpg

[timber715]

you should give it clean space for 4 hours for drying pala just to be sure...

[moji]

That's another concern..the garage is open air hehehe..my poly would be all furry by the time it dries.

[timber715]

that is correct, hence you should make or look for a makeshift tent to cover your project while finish dries...
tulog na muna, maaga pa tayo bukas... zombie nanaman tayo... hehehe :cool::cool:;):p

[moji]

haha oo nga..cge see ya!

[violaine]

hello amigos!

great looking table timb! from start to finish..lucky owner!

got tons of work till august and cant make my hands dirty with sawdusts yet.

enjoy the craft!

[jonathanscruz68]

sir timber,what kind,brand of stain did you use?is it oil,non grain raising,etc.?

[timber715]

it is Ace stains (oil based). I did raise the grain TWICE before staining and made good results. taking the extra steps early makes the difficult parts manageable...
too bad Doc, I was kinda hoping you could have joined us earlier sa Boysen sem...

[timber715]

second to the last coat... 4pm
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0087.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0088.jpg
630pm...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0089.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0094.jpg

[timber715]

11pm... it has one brush hair in the middle of the table and some small bubbles... nothing to worry about, just need it to dry first before the remedy...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0096.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0098.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0105.jpg

[timber715]

also got the leg blanks milled to thickness...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0111.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0113.jpg

[timber715]

worked my butt out today, not much pictures but lots of work... and dust too...
got the pieces cut to length and width...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0114.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0115.jpg
with most of my long clamps in the court, I am left with 3, so I just do with what I got...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0116.jpg
one leg dry fitting...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0118.jpg

[moji]

hehe how long does it take you to clean your sala after working?

Those legs are massive! It must be quite heavy..

[mudhutdesigns]

Next time Manong Sonny ikaw naman magbigay ng seminar. The best woodsmith I've seen so far here in the Phils.

[timber715]

cleaning the sala isn't difficult since this part is for trimming the fit only, but after the ts work, dang took me a good hour just to clean out the dust...
thanks Dom... if an when I get my own shop I will...

[moji]

If the legs are already assembled, all you need is finishing then your done? You work fast!

[timber715]

If the legs are already assembled, all you need is finishing then your done? You work fast!
yes, but that is easier said than done... :p:p:p:p

[beebeenator]

nice work Timber. I will Congrats you in advance!

My TS still doesnt give such a precise repeatable cuts. gts10 is defintely on my wish list

i am sure i can get the DEMO unit for a DISCOUNT :) intro price!!!

[timber715]

sana nga bee, definitely a stepn the right direction... got both feet dry fitted. will be doing the profiles as soon as electricity becomes available...

[timber715]

started to glue the legs together after rounding over the sides and sanding the faces...

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0121.jpg
one done and one still clamped...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0120.jpg

[timber715]

after lunch we stained the legs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0130.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0133.jpg
tried to level the top... but work is still needed. the customer came to check and approved... ;)

[beebeenator]

everybody here just keeps raising the bar in workmanship :)

is that the first coat of stain or is it after glazing?

[timber715]

that is the first coat of stain, it gets the same work as the top... it will get sealed then glazed... then finished... hopefully that simple :p

[Armand]

can't wait to see the finished product...for sure it will be another fantastic project.

[moji]

Ganda ng legs ah! Did you use a router to round the edges?

[timber715]

Ganda ng legs ah! Did you use a router to round the edges?
no, but Golden did... hehehe, he also showered in wood shavings during the cut... hahaha

[moji]

Hahaha! i can imagine.. You guys must have used a big ass router bit to do those edges haha..

[timber715]

Hahaha! i can imagine.. You guys must have used a big ass router bit to do those edges haha..
Uh ha... ;) ;) ;) :p

[timber715]

wanted to take his picture but we decided not to since he was using my router... and not a Bosch :eek: :p:p:p

[moji]

Oo nga baka mahuli! You should have photoshoped it with a bosch router hehe..

[timber715]

got the legs stained, sealed, glazed and finished its first coat. had to use the flash for this...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0151.jpg
and getting upset about not cleaning the brush strokes, I decide to spray another coat of poly...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0152.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0147.jpg
this time I'm very satisfied...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0148.jpg

[moji]

Oh you sprayed poly? How was the process? What consistency did you use?

Your table top looks great..from the reflection wala na yung alon. Good job!

[timber715]

thinned the poly about 10 to 15% until the flow was considerably fluid. like you said "milk consistency". the waves were caused by the brush marks and was sanded using 320, 400 and 600 grit. there are still light dust and an insect landed during the night (asar). will probably lightly sand again and was advised to thin poly 75% to leave a very thin final coat which will not bubble and will self level well...

[moji]

Don't you just hate it when insects make the newly painted finish their landing pad? Always have that problem..badtrip pa pag tinanggal mo tapos naiwan yung mga legs and wings hehe

[beebeenator]

i get that all the time.

I have this room in the house that doesnt get used... takot ko lang baka lumiyab coz there isnt any ventilation.

[timber715]

hahaha, all you need is an electric fan to clear the room after spraying... or you can send me the extra room, I need one badly... :p:p:p

[beebeenator]

hahahaha ill chop my house!

[jonathanscruz68]

sir timber,what kind of paint thinner did you used?is it the ordinary paint thinner,branded,or is it the mineral spirit type?i'm asking,kasi i think there is a particular or type of thinner or reducer that we might use on the type of finish we are using...censya na sir,hindi kita natawgan,been very busy this weekend,maybe later tonight..

[timber715]

jonathan, I am using regular paint thinner at the moment and finding good success with them. Splash ang brand iirc...

today I started making the stops for the legs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0161.jpg
it will be stained and finished and glued to the bottom part of the top to located and lock the legs in place. the chamfers and roundovers provide a means of slide to center the legs during mounting...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0162.jpg

[jonathanscruz68]

your the best sir,sige punta pa malolos,magrenew ng e-card sa GSIS,lam mo na,gov't worker.thanks very much.

[timber715]

finally happy with the finish, nice and clean but not perfect (there is no such thing ;))... its the imperfection that makes it perfect...
another coat of poly (filtered and sprayed)
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0170.jpg
after an hour...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0176.jpg
after two hours...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0180.jpg

[timber715]

after four hours...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0185.jpg
and together with its legs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0189.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0190.jpg
and a shot with flash to see the legs better...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0195.jpg

[moji]

I see you brought out your valuable mineral spirits! Was the difference noticeable?

You were already able to buy filters?

[JayL]

Ang Pogi.

How about the electricals ? I thought there would be built in connections.

[timber715]

I see you brought out your valuable mineral spirits! Was the difference noticeable?

You were already able to buy filters?
ang talas naman ng mata mo... nakita mo yun? :p
yes there is a difference but not day and night. it was more on the ease of work...

[timber715]

since I cannot deliver tomorrow before the specified time, I decided to deliver today instead...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0561.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0560.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/X0562.jpg
it was an unprepared decision to deliver, hence only phone pictures are available...
thanks Moji for the help... couldn't have managed without you... ;)

[moji]

Thanks too Timb! It was fun delivering the table. Thats the exciting part with commissioned works..

[JayL]

Congrats bro. Very very nice outcome.

Ang haba nga laban na yun. Me kasunod na ba na commissioned work for back to play muna ulit tayo - jigs building ..... hehehehe :p

[timber715]

truly a happy feeling when the customer approves your work...

thanks Jay, got several projects in line, I just have to coordinate them soon.

[chisel]

Finally Timb let me congratulate you it’s a big project and turns out to be a very elegant one. You’re the man Bro.

[timber715]

Finally Timb let me congratulate you it’s a big project and turns out to be a very elegant one. You’re the man Bro.
no bro, you're the man... :p
thanks bro...

[mudhutdesigns]

Congrats Manong Timber! Galing! I wish I can have the woodworking skills (and tolls) like you. Pagtanda ko gagayahin kita. :p

[timber715]

Congrats Manong Timber! Galing! I wish I can have the woodworking skills (and tolls) like you. Pagtanda ko gagayahin kita. :p
hehehe, di naman ako ganun katanda para matawag na manong. hehehe, the project is something you can do if you start and practice. you just have to start building stuff from small things. I always recommend making boxes. ako din gusto ko ng tolls, para may regular income ako :p... hahahaha

[JayL]

Timb what was the final thickness of the table top?

[beebeenator]

hehehe, di naman ako ganun katanda para matawag na manong. hehehe, the project is something you can do if you start and practice. you just have to start building stuff from small things. I always recommend making boxes. ako din gusto ko ng tolls, para may regular income ako :p... hahahaha

hahahaha napatawa ako ng sandali :)

Congrats Timber!

[timber715]

Timb what was the final thickness of the table top?
the edges measures 1 thick but after the chamfer, it measures 1 3/4 thick...

[timber715]

here is a better picture I got today...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0256.jpg

[guad]

Astig talaga yun mga Showa bar clamps. Come to think about it the price of Pony pipe clamps w/ the pipes is expensive also .. better to add some more and get the Showas.

in fact Jay, the Showa will come out cheaper than the Ponies and pipes depending on the length... that was my consideration too before buying them, and glad I did because these clamps are real bears and very easy to use...

One thing to note with the Showa t-bar clamps is that the actual capacity may be less than the named capacity. For example, the 48" clamp opens to 47-11/16" only.

If you need 48" opening, you have to get the next size clamp, 54".

[timber715]

One thing to note with the Showa t-bar clamps is that the actual capacity may be less than the named capacity. For example, the 48" clamp opens to 47-11/16" only.

If you need 48" opening, you have to get the next size clamp, 54".
I concur... :D