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    my husband used to work for a sheet metal fabricator as estimator, it was a big company with CNC machines. while on d other hand i work for s sales team. we have decided to start our own small one. its quite a big adjustment for him as we are going along finding portable or manual equipments. i am very happy having found this group. wish i cud get as many coaching possible. i read d forum already, i saw d list of mild sheet suppliers. hinanap kona sa google ans ulit but cudnt get an address or contact details ng Reagan or Westmont. hope u can help us guys... for the meantime, we are just getting the cutting and bending sa labas and gets charged per bend/cut. baka may idea din kau san may mga manual... thanks ahead! this group seems very interesting and educational! we will be reading threads! excited to learn alot

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    Since you both have worked in a metal sheet company..im pretty sure you have friends in your company's purchasing department. When i was working as plant manager in packaging and food manufacturing company then, i used to befriend all purchasing personnel specially the purchaser and runner who directly contact suppliers. When i need something she can supply me every materials i need for personal or company use. Purchaser also knows how to haggle and you can get the lowest possible for anything related to company.s supplies. Although finding ads suppliers online is ok, you will not get the VIP treatment and prices given to a purchaser. Ask first your friend in the purchasing department and his her recommendation. Trust me they know everything..
    If that doesnt work , im pretty sure experts here in metal working could help you..Cheers

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    • #3
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      HI there jenniferdavid729,

      Welcome to the community but can you please introduce yourself in the MEMBER INTRODUCTIONS, if you will scroll down the index page, its just under the GAZEBO forum. We'd like to know you better as a person and as a member since you are new here and already made a post.




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      • #4
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        Hi Pyth and Admin Rosy,

        thanks a lot for the reply. we have the contact details na for Westmont. they are giving us the price of GI 1.4mm thickness @P1,400/sheet. another order just came in and by tomorrow we shud be inquiring on the BI 2.3mm thickness. yeah ur advice is right, unfortunately its not gonna work for us, bec the company where we came from has a new purchasing officer. and we had to figure the hard way. lol, bec they do not have any details to be found either sulit or google... on the equipment side, former employer cant also help us bec they are using CNC machines already(imported ones) and its way far from the small start we are getting. the past days we were looking around and found this Korean (Inverter) made; plasma cutter called asea71p @P49500, compressor(3.5hp) @P24500, arch welding machine @P10800, Makita grinder @P4000, manual bender(separate supplier) 8feet up to 2mm thickness bending capacity @P170000... the shearing will temporarily be outsourced... hope to find one soon.

        most of the time our orders are made of sheets ranging from 1.5mm - 2mm... the 2.3mm thickness is a very rare order(bdw the 2.3mm thickness is for cable tray supports). we actually hope that we are getting the right specs of equipments based on the thickness range we are anticipating to do.

        thanks thanks ahead for helping!!!

        Best Regards,
        JENNIFER I. DAVID

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          • #6
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            bdw, if theres any feedback or recommendations, pls feel free to comment. at d moment its what we have decided to purchase. sooner we shud be getting tig / mig and others. we are also looking for a manual shearing ,machine(if may ganun kaya?)...

            what I am afraid of is that I might be buying over specd tools. as I have said, we will be cutting up to 2mm only, or say up to 2.3mm maxx. im afraid of the electricity consumption kasi... the sales persons who were doing the demo and stuff, ofcourse tells us na ok yung mga un. but infact ung plama nya cuts 10mm pataas, which is over rated sa aming up to 2.3mm thickness. also, if the plasma compressor is over specd also for 3.5hp() well I really cudnt argue well sa binilhan naming. all they say is, its the best. hehe... kakapit nalang ako maige sa upuan ko while waiting for the meralco bills...

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            • #7
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              hi Rosy, nice u have YAMATO 300 AMP AC Stick Welder,
              YAMATO 200AMP DC Inverter IGBT Welder. light duty? I mean di ko kasi need ng heavy duty, I think. do I? if its only up to 2.3mm thickness? hehe(takot sa bills)

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              • #8
                Re: setting up a backyard fabrication

                Originally posted by jenniferdavid729 View Post
                Hi Pyth and Admin Rosy,

                the past days we were looking around and found this Korean (Inverter) made; plasma cutter called asea71p @P49500, compressor(3.5hp) @P24500, arch welding machine @P10800, Makita grinder @P4000, manual bender(separate supplier) 8feet up to 2mm thickness bending capacity @P170000... the shearing will temporarily be outsourced... hope to find one soon.

                most of the time our orders are made of sheets ranging from 1.5mm - 2mm... the 2.3mm thickness is a very rare order(bdw the 2.3mm thickness is for cable tray supports). we actually hope that we are getting the right specs of equipments based on the thickness range we are anticipating to do.

                thanks thanks ahead for helping!!!

                Best Regards,
                JENNIFER I. DAVID
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                Hi there again Jennifer,

                Yes, that Korean made machines called ASEA71P is a good brand too, we( PHM WELDING BOYS ) had a welding seminar last year with the owner and distributor of ASEA welding products and the machines the owner brought were really something. We were convinced that there machines were good and well made particularly the Arc/Tig welder and the Plasma cutting machine 71P. Problem was that its too expensive for us specially for those who were just starting to learn how to weld, LOL. But.......of course them machines are good and robust, congrats on your right choice.


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                Originally posted by jenniferdavid729 View Post
                bdw, if theres any feedback or recommendations, pls feel free to comment. at d moment its what we have decided to purchase. sooner we shud be getting tig / mig and others. we are also looking for a manual shearing ,machine(if may ganun kaya?)...

                what I am afraid of is that I might be buying over specd tools. as I have said, we will be cutting up to 2mm only, or say up to 2.3mm maxx. im afraid of the electricity consumption kasi... the sales persons who were doing the demo and stuff, ofcourse tells us na ok yung mga un. but infact ung plama nya cuts 10mm pataas, which is over rated sa aming up to 2.3mm thickness. also, if the plasma compressor is over specd also for 3.5hp() well I really cudnt argue well sa binilhan naming. all they say is, its the best. hehe... kakapit nalang ako maige sa upuan ko while waiting for the meralco bills...
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                Perhaps you can check Toolec Inc., somewhere in Libis, fronting Eastwood City for additional shearing tools and other welding machines. IMHO, its better to have some over specs tools than getting those under specs, you will never know when the time comes that you will need something heavy duty for your client's orders.

                Another supplier of good welding machines is TOPPHAND, distributor of RILON welding machines, their Mig and Tig machines are good, I have read their specs plus some testimonials from a friend licensed welder who have used these machines in the company where he is working now. If I were you I will buy the inverter machines for Mig and Tig machines, IGBT Inverters have been proven to be "matipid sa kuryente"


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                Originally posted by jenniferdavid729 View Post
                hi Rosy, nice u have YAMATO 300 AMP AC Stick Welder,
                YAMATO 200AMP DC Inverter IGBT Welder. light duty? I mean di ko kasi need ng heavy duty, I think. do I? if its only up to 2.3mm thickness? hehe(takot sa bills)
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                Yeah, I think so too that this YAMATO 200amps DC Inverter is just a light duty welder, good enough as an entry level for lots of new welders here in the forum. You can try it or target the RILON 250 amps DC Inveter, good enough for light and heavy duty applications. Yes I guess the 300 amps welder maybe to much for your needs since you will not be welding thick and solid metals, I think !!

                Anyway, its also a dream of mine to have a small fabrication shop someday and saving up too for a Mig and a Tig and perhaps a good plasma cutter as well. But basically use them for my art applications.

                Well good luck on your fabrication business venture and wish you all the best !!! Hope we learn somethings from your business venture specially in the field of fabrications of course !!! LOL
                Last edited by rosy; 06-21-2013, 04:24 PM.
                AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
                HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
                YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                DeWALT Chopsaw
                HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
                Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
                STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

                -----------------------------------------------
                Dreaming and wanting is good and healthy but working hard for it is better !

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                  mam jennifer,

                  i was wondering if i can have a tour of your shop. kasi meron din akong small personal shop and i was hoping to get some pointers from fellow metal crafters. experience-wise malayo pa po ako sa pro. pipes and bars pa lang ang kaya ng shop ko eh. thanks and more power.


                  Ceto

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                  • #10
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                    Hi Rosy,
                    wow thanks a lot for the tips! I should be checking on toolec and topphand by Monday bdw, sorry whats IGBT inverters? is't another line of inverters? hehe...
                    what we are having difficulty about is finding a powerpress, last minute, my supplier said he is out of 10tonners. I found another prospect supplier but is selling it x2 of the price where as they have d same specs and both second hand. ito nalang ang kulang ko for my initial operations. I hope I cud get tips as well for the power press. infact we cud only be needing about 5tons only(for max 2.5mm thickness)... over spec na naman ako sa 10tons(ang kuryente ko na naman...) haha!

                    Hello Ceto,
                    sure u may visit us. my husbands line of expertise is more of cable trays, pullboxes, enclosures(data cabinets, server racks, nema enclosures...), ttc mttc, shelves... our contact details are; 9046743

                    this grp is really cool...
                    BEST REGARDS ERVYONE!!!

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                      @ jennifer,

                      IGBT Inverter..................Insulated Gate Bi-polar Transistor, is a three terminal power semiconductor device used primarily for high efficiency and fast switching. A device used for DC welding machines to make it more efficient and energy saving machines.


                      With regards to power press, wow !! they are not cheap ha ? Have you seen this seller sa sulit ?

                      http://www.**************/index.php/...Position,1-8,8

                      Kung ayaw lumabas, Google "Power Press " Philippines sa sulit
                      Asking price is 3,500K per ton and his smallest is 10 ton. He is selling 3 units, 25 ton, 15 ton and 10 ton.
                      Correct me if mali pagka kaintindi ko.


                      Hope this helps !!
                      Last edited by rosy; 06-22-2013, 09:35 PM.
                      AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
                      HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                      YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
                      YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                      DeWALT Chopsaw
                      HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
                      Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
                      STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

                      -----------------------------------------------
                      Dreaming and wanting is good and healthy but working hard for it is better !

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                      • #12
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                        Hi guys,

                        thanks sa info anb TOPPHAND i have just bought their arc and plasma. their plasma is way cheaper than Asea71. i got it at 20k only. light duty, 40amps. they also recommended the 1hp compressor at only 12k+... nice info. our fabrication is now operating and slowly but surely catching up. i just had a last minute problem with my supposed power press supplier. hindi pala working condition. hope anyone frm ds group could help recommend a supplier if any. ten tonner will do

                        salamat and more power!

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                        • #13
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                          wow husband and wife sheet metal fabrication enthusiasts!

                          another prospect for future ebs! pot luck as usual! hehe

                          Godspeed to you both!

                          V
                          The devil will find work for idle hands to do.-Morrissey

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                          • #14
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                            Hi Rosy and evryone!,
                            nice, will contact na that supplier u found. yeah medyo mahal nga, pero kesa wala... yung isa kasing kausap namin is selling 20tonner @2k only... but its over spec msyado para samin. mga butas lang kasi ng provision sa bolts ang bubutasan eh. around 9.5mm diameter.
                            hubby is having a tough time using mga portable and manuals. nasa lay outs pa din kami til today. para by tom or d next days tabas na ng tabas. hehe sanay kasi sya sa CNC pero ganun tlga, setting up ur own on a limited fund shud really mean going thru a needle,just to have one running.
                            may subcon kami ng cut to size, Php 30 kada bagsak... anlalayo pa ng areas nila. so ayun naman ang pinagkakaabalahan ko. sana may makita kaming closer sa Pque... whew i never tot its this tidious. haha!

                            u guys have EB pala here? i think i read potlock.

                            Best Regards evryone!
                            Jennifer David

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                              thanks violane

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