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  • #16
    Re: Mitsuden tig

    Originally posted by twisted View Post
    Finally bought a TIG, and went with rilon brand, since its with the most good reviews, but cheaper than more known brands. Also bought 15lb argon tank with content. Consumables na lang ang kulang.
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    Hinahabol ko sana to have the tig up and running this long weekend but I ran on some set backs.
    I forgot to buy the hose for the argon. And the rilon unit didnít have a power plug only the wire. And it has 3 wires. So I had to trace which one is the ground wire, so that I donít fry the welder.

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    Ok lang ba yung 20 amp na rating for the plug? Its firefly brand I bought in ace ardware. Also, ok lang ba na tinganggal ko yung ground part ng power plug?
    Sir pag ok na set up mo post ka naman ng pics ng practice session mo. kakatapos ko lang magpractice tig sa lap joint at T joint and some beads on steel plate. my second time using TIG.

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    • #17
      Re: Mitsuden tig

      Hi twisted,


      Congrats bro on your new TIG toy. RILON is a good brand too, also made by RILAND. I'm pretty sure
      you'll be very busy practicing the tig process in the coming days ahead. You can get tips, lot of tips
      in YouTube, so many videos to learn from specially from Jody of WeldingTipsandTricks.com

      With regards to your plug, that will do just fine even though without the ground part. If I recall I think that is a
      similar plug( 20amp) also, only its an OMNI brand that I used on my HiTronic 300 amp DC welder.




      Cheers and have fun !!
      AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
      HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
      YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
      YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
      DeWALT Chopsaw
      HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
      Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
      STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

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      • #18
        Re: Mitsuden tig

        @balongdelossantos bro as requested. Wala pa akong filler material, so i was just playing around with it. so far na hihirapan pa ako mag controll ng arc, now i know why they say tig is harder to learn. Pag naka bili na ng ibang tungsten electrode will be experimenting, ang immediate na kailangan kong matutunan ma weld is sheet metal for auto body repair.

        blowing holes on sheet stainless
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        @rosy, oonga sir mahaba habang praktis sessions, medyo nalilito ako sa tungsten sizing, and if im supposed to use red or gray tungsten on thin sheet metal, parang pareho silang pwede pero di ko lang alam which is better.

        The guy at top hand na hindi nila welder, office personnel siya, did the demo, he welded two ss plates(thicker than what i was welding). He was doing an arc and stop motion, akala ko parang mig ang kalalabasan, pero it turned out to be a nice looking bead. Sayang di ko nakunan ng photo, was hoping to replicate that pero wala eh hindi ko makuha.

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        • #19
          Re: Mitsuden tig

          Bro twisted, you have to have some filler rods to use so you can produce some beads. While holding the filler rod, say for stainless steel with one hand, you dip the end of the rod to the Tig torch (the gun), say starting from right towards the left direction, dip and go, dip and go as you move to produce nice ripple patterns on your practice materials. Hope I'm making some sense here.

          Well I am just basing this procedure from people doing tig on YouTube. Perhaps you should give some time to watch these videos to give you an insight on how to correctly apply the beads.




          Enjoy your Tig practice !!
          AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
          HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
          YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
          YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
          DeWALT Chopsaw
          HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
          Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
          STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

          -----------------------------------------------
          Dreaming and wanting is good and healthy but working hard for it is better !

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          • #20
            Re: Mitsuden tig

            @twisted thank you sa mga pics sir. eto advice from someone in weldingweb

            I'd suggest you spend some time simply running puddles on bare plate with no filler so you get a feel how things react to travel speed and arc length. That's usually the 1st thing we have students do. I'd change one variable at a time for simplicity. Change how fast you travel maintaining a constant arc length for a dozen or so beads. Then change arc length while maintaining a consistent travel speed and not how the puddle reacts. Poor torch angle also is a big contributor to melting the filler with the arc. Many guys don't extend the tungsten out far enough to see the tungsten well. To compensate, they crank the torch way over to something like a 45 deg angle and blow a ton of heat out in front of them as they go. Small filler that's well heated will often melt before it hits the puddle and drip down on cold plate causing what I see there. You want the torch almost vertical, tipped back maybe 10 or 15 degs or at about the 1oclock position. That puts the heat down into the plate and doesn't over heat your filler. I also like to have new students learn to start adding filler using the lay wire technique. Keep the filler in contact with the plate and slide it on the plate into the puddle to melt it, or "chase" the filler with the puddle. Start a puddle and then bring it up to the end of the filler and follow the filler with the puddle. If you have a decent sized puddle, the filler will HAVE to melt when it hits the edge of the puddle and won't make it to the arc.


            If you are having trouble seeing the arc, you need to extend the tungsten out more. A gas lens can help with this and still maintain good gas coverage, but it's not required. You can stick the tungsten out pretty far and not have serious issues with gas flow for learning. If you want to know how far, make a few runs maintaining travel speed and arc length and just keep extending the tungsten out farther each time until you start to see porosity and gas issues. With a gas lens you can be out stupid far before this happens. With a normal #7-8 cup 5/8" or more is easily doable and almost 1" probably wouldn't surprise me.

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            • #21
              Re: Mitsuden tig

              @rosy, yes will be watching a lot of vids, so much to learn hehe. I can's find a detailed instruction on torch setup though

              @balongdelossantos sir how far out must the tungsten be? im having a hard time on torch angle, if close to vertical then im blowing holes on the ss sheet, if 45 degrees parang ang layo ng bagsak na arc(although steady) from the torch. if i increase the distance from the work piece the arc starts to spatter, parang flux mig.

              tama ba if im welding thin sheets, im supposed to use thin tungsten?

              im waiting for this to arrive, will be using this for replicating spot welds
              http://www.eastwood.com/tig-spot-weld-kit.html

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              • #22
                Re: Mitsuden tig

                sir twisted,

                yung grounding wire is for safety purposes kapag accidentally mong nahawakan yung body ng welder at mayroon itong unwanted ground. kumbaga dito sa wire na ito dadaan at hindi sa katawan ng tao.

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                • #23
                  Re: Mitsuden tig

                  Originally posted by twisted View Post
                  @balongdelossantos sir how far out must the tungsten be? im having a hard time on torch angle, if close to vertical then im blowing holes on the ss sheet, if 45 degrees parang ang layo ng bagsak na arc(although steady) from the torch. if i increase the distance from the work piece the arc starts to spatter, parang flux mig.

                  tama ba if im welding thin sheets, im supposed to use thin tungsten?
                  Yung tungsten stickout depende sa cup size mo sir. the longer the stickout mas kailangan mo ng mas malaking cup size para adequate ang gas coverage. pero kung may gas lens kit ka mas maganda kahit mahaba ang tungsten stickout. pero usually max na tungsten stickout nasa 0.5" gamit mo na dapat dyan mga #8 pataas na cup.

                  Gamit ko na cup ngayon eh #5 lang ata. Nahihirapan ako maghanap dito sa pampanga ng #8 pataas lalo na gas lens kit hehe

                  kung thin sheet metal weld mo dapat mas maliit na tungsten like 1/16 size. tapos mababang amps lang. Experiment na lang sa tamang amps.

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                  • #24
                    Twisted,

                    bro I would like to ask some favor if you don't mind, can you please tell me where did you bought your Rilon TIG, I have found one seller in OLX, TOPPHAND and they have a physical store in Caloocan.

                    Thank you....

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                    • #25
                      @ borongan,

                      Allow me to reply to your question bro.

                      Most of Rilon weld machines can be purchased at TOPPHAND Industrial Supply Corp. located sa Caloocan. There is another dealer of these machines, HAN's Tools located somewhere sa Pioneer st. Pasig., kaya lang mas mahal price tag nila.
                      AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
                      HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                      YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
                      YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                      DeWALT Chopsaw
                      HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
                      Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
                      STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

                      -----------------------------------------------
                      Dreaming and wanting is good and healthy but working hard for it is better !

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                      • #26
                        @sir rosy,
                        thank you, I'm just trying to verify if TOPPHAND is the dealer of Rilon products, now I'm confident in dealing with them.... hirap pag wala ka sa Manila, you're willing to buy but purchasing online is risky unless it's really a legitimate store not to mention the shipping cost.

                        once again sir rosy you're such a great help and an asset to the community....

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                        • #27
                          Glad I could be of help to you !!
                          AHP Alpha-TIG 200X welder
                          HITRONIC 300 Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                          YAMATO 300 Amp AC Stick Welder
                          YAMATO 200Amp DC Inverter IGBT Welder
                          DeWALT Chopsaw
                          HOBART and ESAB Welding Helmets
                          Assorted Angle Grinders, Clamps and Vises
                          STIHL MS 044 chainsaw

                          -----------------------------------------------
                          Dreaming and wanting is good and healthy but working hard for it is better !

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