Re: Pakyawan - Labor Questions

Difficult to estimate yan. By experience, pwd nga mura, poor workmanship.

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thanks sa reply sir....whats your experience like sir bmac? can you share agreement niyo?.......

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I think mahirap nga mag estimate esp pag wala detailed scope of work... but for reference only (old school estimate) 40% of materials ang ginagawa for labor cost.

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unless you have a detailed plan of the house...mahirap mag estimate.

maliit lang naman yung project so para sa akin mas maganda ng arawan. pag merong tao kang ayaw mo ang trabaho...dispatsa agad.hehehe.

Re: Pakyawan - Labor Questions

in my experience, mas maganda ang arawan basta andyan ka or any body you can trust to oversee the days work.

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My suggeston is for you to find a trusted foreman (referred by friends or relatives who had prior experience with them) who will do the hiring and supervision of workmen. Agree on a fixed cost (pakyaw) for his services only but you will pay "arawan" for his workmen on a weekly basis (usually on saturdays). This is a modified version of the "pakyaw system".

Since the house you are planning to build will not have expensive finishing, Phezthie's comment that labor cost is typically 40% of the material cost is correct.

I hope this helps.

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I have stated before that there must be a base budget for a modest build. Around 20-25K/square meter should put you in the right position to start your build and allow an allowance of about 20% contingency fund for when prices spike during the build. Most people I know convince themselves with a lower budget say 15k/sqm. only to end up 2x their original estimate. If you have a working budget then assume that 60% of that is attributed to materials and the rest will be spent for labor. While the subject of pakyawan may seem cost saving the horror stories of wasted materials is not uncommon due to the scarcity of good or eligible contractors in this arrangement. Most of the credible contractors usually like straight contracts due to the incentives they get from dealers and suppliers. This also gives the client assurance of the contractors accountabilities be it materials or workmanship w/c is almost always absent in a pakyawan set up. Whenever I am forced to work on projects by pakyawan I simply compute this way: Daily wage rate for the Team members and Daily wage rate + 30% of the Team Leader's pay base as incentive for organizing the group and as project foreman but I still have to manage the project to keep things in to perspective. :construction:

Re: Pakyawan - Labor Questions

medyo mahirap pakyawan system.

but the bottom line is you should have a eye to supervise the work site.

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Thanks for all your opinions/suggestions mga sir. Seems like there are lots to consider both ways. I will be there most of time to supervise the construction when it starts coz flexible naman time ko sa business. Kaya im inclined magpakyawan or at least arawan. I have concerns lang how to evaluate the progress of the construction. May rule of thumb b na evry X nos. Of workers ~ sqm na natatapos per day?
May plano naman yung building. For the whole apartment masterplan. Gagawin nga lang ung 1 unit lang. . . Can this help sa pakyawan?
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Thanks for all your opinions/suggestions mga sir. Seems like there are lots to consider both ways. I will be there most of time to supervise the construction when it starts coz flexible naman time ko sa business. Kaya im inclined magpakyawan or at least arawan. I have concerns lang how to evaluate the progress of the construction. May rule of thumb b na evry X nos. Of workers ~ sqm na natatapos per day?
May plano naman yung building. For the whole apartment masterplan. Gagawin nga lang ung 1 unit lang. . . Can this help sa pakyawan?
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Most people I know who went your path of build either failed or barely survived unscathed. Some points to consider:

1) Do you have sufficient knowledge with construction works or any undertaking of that nature first hand?
2) Who drafted your build plans, an Architect relative, friend or someone you trust? Did they give other recommendations other than your intended approach? The consultant should give you first hand info on what you are about to embark on.
3) How can you judge a contractors work and pacing if it is your first time to do this? You might be trapped in a bottomless pit specially with those workers who purposely delay their work to extend payroll opportunity.
4) Have you had your planned project estimated or quoted by professionals just to have a proper basis and comparative costing reference? It might turn out wiser, less stress and probably more lucrative or economical if you have it straight contract, but that's just my opinion. You may contract with a pro by administration and supervision if you like with you supplying the materials in the process. The difference is the contractor has damage liability with the project should he fail to complete or execute the work successfully.

While it is necessary to ensure your investment it is also important to know your limitations as well as your expertise. Though you may have heard success stories from others who took the path you intend to take you must know first their horror stories prior to their success and decide whether you have the guts to take the same road. You will be promised many things during negotiations but be ready and set aside a budget for contingencies. Never hesitate to assert your rights as a client and don't let the contractors/workers set the standard of the build. Almost always there will be workers or Pakyaw contractors who will threaten to leave the project during the build if you don't give in to their demands. Be prepared and make sure you have a back up plan for such probable cases. For those who did good work during the build don't hesitate to express your gratitude. This will pave way for a good team build when you work on the next few units of your project.

As a Finishing and Wood Specialist for more than 20 years working on various residential and high rise projects, I can only share what I have learned working in the simplest platform of the construction industry, "Why do it yourself when you can hire someone who has been doing it right all along? Lesser mistakes, Lesser wastage, Lesser stress = more profit + faster results"
Just my two centavos. 😉

Most people I know who went your path of build either failed or barely survived unscathed. Some points to consider:

1) Do you have sufficient knowledge with construction works or any undertaking of that nature first hand?
2) Who drafted your build plans, an Architect relative, friend or someone you trust? Did they give other recommendations other than your intended approach? The consultant should give you first hand info on what you are about to embark on.
3) How can you judge a contractors work and pacing if it is your first time to do this? You might be trapped in a bottomless pit specially with those workers who purposely delay their work to extend payroll opportunity.
4) Have you had your planned project estimated or quoted by professionals just to have a proper basis and comparative costing reference? It might turn out wiser, less stress and probably more lucrative or economical if you have it straight contract, but that's just my opinion. You may contract with a pro by administration and supervision if you like with you supplying the materials in the process. The difference is the contractor has damage liability with the project should he fail to complete or execute the work successfully.

While it is necessary to ensure your investment it is also important to know your limitations as well as your expertise. Though you may have heard success stories from others who took the path you intend to take you must know first their horror stories prior to their success and decide whether you have the guts to take the same road. You will be promised many things during negotiations but be ready and set aside a budget for contingencies. Never hesitate to assert your rights as a client and don't let the contractors/workers set the standard of the build. Almost always there will be workers or Pakyaw contractors who will threaten to leave the project during the build if you don't give in to their demands. Be prepared and make sure you have a back up plan for such probable cases. For those who did good work during the build don't hesitate to express your gratitude. This will pave way for a good team build when you work on the next few units of your project.

As a Finishing and Wood Specialist for more than 20 years working on various residential and high rise projects, I can only share what I have learned working in the simplest platform of the construction industry, "Why do it yourself when you can hire someone who has been doing it right all along? Lesser mistakes, Lesser wastage, Lesser stress = more profit + faster results"
Just my two centavos. 😉

Tnx for your 2 centavos sir willy!:-)
For your points to consider:
1. Minimal. I had a couple of people with me when we made a small extension at the back of our house.
2. The building plan was done by an architect cousin of mine. He is the one who suggested na kumuha na lng ng tao. He even shared the normal % na kita ng mga contractor.
3. This is the one im working on. That is why i fiund this forum. With the help of my architect cousin and other sources, i would hope to have an objective decision on this matter.
4. I will canvass this next. I only have the bill of materials for the entire building, not for 1 unit.
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