Re: Wooden Gate

Check this out: http://pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=2032

Re: Wooden Gate

Check this out: http://pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=2032

Thanks master Balarila. Just read that thread.

It seems that IPIL is a good choice as well but hard to find. How about gmelina, will it work? Will it be strong enough to last?

Spar urethane was mentioned there to protect the wood from the elements. Just wondering about termites and others. How to protect the wood from them. Also, procedures to finish the wood like:
1. sanding sealer or oil?
2. woodstain (ivory color at my case to make it black or gray) any good brand and where can i get them?
3. spar urethane or polyurethane?
4. ?

Which one will be the top coat?

For the expoxy, can you please recommend a good brand and where to get them?

I also read somewhere on this forum about epoxy resin, but didn't understand it fully.

:thanks:

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You'll see a number of threads on this topic.

Some quick answers to your questions:

Sanding sealer and/or oil will not be enough for external use without frequent reapplication.

When using stain, make sure that it is compatible with the topcoat you will use. For example, if you plan to top it with epoxy, oil-based stains would not work (epoxy will not adhere). You will be better off with aniline dyes (jobus).

Spar polyurethane may work. If you plan to stain before the PU, best to use same brand to ensure compatibility.

What I would recommend:

No stain
Apply epoxy resin
Top it with Spar Polyurethane (for UV protection)

Epoxy resin (looks and feels like hotcake syrup) may be bought from Polymer Products (google the website for the nearest branch). Sadolin brand of Spar Polyurethane may be bought from True Value.

Do some research on epoxy application. It is not applied like your regular varnish and requires some precautions.

Re: Wooden Gate

What the size of the gate? Also your budget for wood only.
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Thanks sa mga replies. Ngayong lang ulit ako naka-visit, buti up na ulit yung site.

@Balarila, If I could get and afford kamagong or any naturally black colored wood, I would not use stain. And because I really want to have a black colored gate, my options are to use stain or dye. Where can I get a good dye (black)? Are there any wood stain that worked with epoxy?

Also what will be the sequence - sanding sealer -> wood stain or dye -> epoxy ->poly? or poly -> epoxy?

@joey, estimated size of the gate is 2m x 5.5m, but not fully covered, medyo grill type. For the budget naman, very strict po, that's why I'm planning to purchase it little by little. I am still working on my gate design so I still don't know the sizes of the wood that I will use.

Thanks.

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@ynos
If you will use epoxy:
Do not use sanding sealer as it may weaken epoxy bonding. Just sand the surface, then use aniline dye (jobus) as stain. This dye is cheap, available at National bookstores (Venus brand), and water-based. Do not use any oil-based stains since they will not adhere to epoxy well. When surface is dry, apply epoxy with a rubber spreader, wearing gloves (to avoid allergic reaction to epoxy). Clean up any epoxy spills with vinegar. You may apply more than one coating as you desire. Sand lightly between coatings to ensure a good bond. When epoxy has dried, sandlightly then apply exterior PU varnish for UV protection. I'd recommend Sadolin Yacht.

@AndrewJayden
Are you in the Philippines? We do not have spring here. Just two seasons: Dry and Rainy.
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Hey Ding,

Is there a workaround if I insist on having it stained and then apply epoxy?

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@Balarila, thanks again for the inputs. Second the motion on the workaround, is there any if I insist on staining especially if I plan to do glazing to even the stain?

Also, I found some mahogany on a local lumberyard, freshly cut not dried and smoothen in any way at 35/bdft. Is mahogany a good choice and is this a good price?

Thanks.

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@bigfoot
Only water-based stains work with epoxy. Best one I can think of is jobus (aniline dye) but you will have to do some color-mixing.

@ynos
That's a very good price. I get my mahogany at P60/bdft then have it kiln-dried for another P15. Mahogany is my favorite wood. Easy to work with and I like the gentle and closed grain.
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@ ynos
Thats a good price for mahogany. If you want some very hard wood id say yakal, mulawin, caimito and malabayabas is good for outdoor.
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thanks guys for the replies.

Another newbie question, can I already start working on the wood after kiln-drying or I still need to sun-dry?

Thanks.

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You're good to go after kiln drying. Just make sure the shop knows what it's doing.; e.g. proper drying and stacking of wood.

But work quickly. Freshly dried wood is like a sponge for moisture.

On wood that I had dried where I would not be using epoxy, I wipe on some oil to prevent moisture from seeping in. But, in your case, you will be using waterproofing (epoxy?) so oil may not be good.

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thanks guys for the replies.

Another newbie question, can I already start working on the wood after kiln-drying or I still need to sun-dry?

Thanks.

let your wood acclimatized on your working-area or woodshop for at least 3-4 days or more...
then you can start on your projects.