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@jay,

what you just said are confirmation of what i learned recently from a seaman friend..that semi circle thing he calls it "chain"-like rod movement.

gotta grab that 7024!

practice practice practice

btw..my setting is just II and yes you can see splatters..so too hot the rod?

setting at I makes the rod "sticky" and does not burn at all..so pushed it to the II setting.

but unfortunately no time to practice at the moment.

but the barbecue grill and dog cage/house are now priorities.
:detective:

thanks for the input...we shall see later.

june is nearing fast..and so is the mig!:jazzysax:

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@jay,

but..do you like the color of my frame?
:batman:

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Violaine

hilig mo talaga maghinang. kasi sana aluminium ang ginamit mo or ung nabibiling slotted angle bars.

pasensiya na sa comment

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Doc V, here's my comment on your AC bracket.

Some assurance first, I think all welding newbies went through with what or how they started applying welds to the metal. I did passed that stage before and through constant use and practice welding I was able to get it right specially now that there are so many available information and tips regarding stick welding, mig welding and tig welding. BEFORE my idea of welding was just as long as I can stick or connect my two metals, that's it marunong na ako, but I was very wrong, mas malalim pa pala ang process ng pag we welding, its deeper and wider in scope than I thought, there were different techniques involved, different styles in the process of welding, wow how wrong I was then. 🙁

Good thing now I know the correct and proper way to weld two metals plus thanks to my tauhan who took welding seminars sa TESDA, we would practice every Sunday the proper way to weld and the different technique therein.

OK Doc V, going back to your AC bracket, be glad that you were able to weld two metals together now, it will just need to practice more the right procedure in welding. Actually doc you don't need to shift to the 7018 welding rod, the 6011 and the 6013 will be sufficient enough to weld the angle bars that you used. All you need is just to learn the proper way to weld., the correct distance of the welding rod to your subject, the proper speed while welding and the proper amperage to use when welding. Remember CLAM !!! 😉

I will not criticize your welding in fact am happy that you were able to finish one metal project by yourself, I'll just suggest that when you weld using 6013, do not rush, do some small wave movements left to right then back, when you are welding count 1 and 2, pose a little before you go to the other side then pose again for 2 seconds then back, Keep practicing this technique and you'll get it right in the long run. OK Doc, just keep practicing. :p

Reminder here, work safe, don't forget your safety work wears, enjoy your welding Doc. 😀

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@jay,

but..do you like the color of my frame?
:batman:

Yeah looks great and it stands out on the green background 🙂
Isn't that same color as the TS stand?

I think we have the same settings on our welders bro. The preset design so we don't get in between one setting to another. The other welders I see like Yamato have this wheel you turn to increase or decrease amps ( variable type ). Looks like these are better because you can fine tune the amps settings

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@bmac,

thanks bro...parang oa oa na kasi yung slotted bars...aluminium? pero my idea here is to weld...my welder cannot weld the aluminum...there are commercially available angle brackets at most home depots and mall hardwares but that is not my idea..

@rosy,

i remember again the guy who told me to hold my breath before i run the rod...with this you can somehow fine tune your stance and hand movement...well that is physiologically a sound advice.

@jay,

hehe the brackets color is actually "sgnal red" while the table saw stand is "tile red"...
mas ok pala yung welder with a wheel...oo nga mas mapa fine tune yung amperage.i must agree.

thanks to all..i still have a migraine 🙁

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This is an air pressurized ( regulated 40 psi ) soap foamer used in car washing. It developed some air leaks under.

This is the first time I'm seeing the underside of this tool and was surprised with the welding.

I decided to dress the welds a bit (masakit sa mata ) and at the same time try the new carbide burr I got from Panda. One has to be well protected when using these burrs. The metal chips are very tiny and sharp.

Very quick weld dressing. Faster than grinding.

Here I marked the hairline crack position. I'm not sure if I'll stick weld this or oxy ace it. I have some stainless steel rods I can use for stick. I can also strip one rod of flux and use this as filler material if I will oxy ace weld it.

Which one do you think will be a better welding process. At best my skills on both welding are mediocre.

Any precautions to be taken when welding cylinders? This of course is not a fuel cylinder but rather soap and water one. Just making sure there's something I'm not missing on the safety issue.

Looking at it I'm not sure if such as weld patch will weaken the stainless cylinder's pressure holding strenght. I'm even tempted to just convert it into a barbecue smoker ... LOL.

Thanks

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HI JayL,

I personally think using the oxy-acetylene welding to patch up the hairline cracks on your tank will be more appropriate and will be more easier and safer to do.

I,m kinda apprehensive on using the stick welding on that satainless surface kasi baka mas lumaki pa ang damage at mabutas pa ang surface. It will be easier to use the oxy-acet, simple heat up to molten surface the area with hairline cracks and apply the filler rod to the affected area.

You'll also be able to control the application of the heat compared to stainless stick welding baka mabutasan ka pa. If you reduce the amperage naman the beads might not penetrate inside to weld the gap, baka sa surface lang dumikit.

With regards to precaution, nothing really serious if the tank is empty then simply remove or unscrew the nut at the center to prevent pressure buildup inside. My I suggest to if you are unsure to what to use in welding, maybe you could practice both in a scrap stainless sheet and just find out what would be more comfortable to use and find out also the difference on how the sheet will react to stick welding or the oxy-ace before plunging in with the real thing. Well I hope I was able to help. :p 😉 Good luck!!! 🙂

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In addition to stick welding, it is very unforgiving to thin metal sheets unless one using it is already an expert and with lots of experience in the application of this method, specially those guys in the fabrication shops doing gates and assembleing sidecars for tricycles or restoring side panels of jeep/jeepneys or cars.

They use this method day in, day out, sa provinces they don't know what a MIG or TIG welder is, to them as long as they have their oxy-acetylene torches and their Yamato welders, ayos na, they can survive on that already.

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@ Rosy

Bro we have exactly the same thoughts. I'll oxy ace weld it and use stainless steel rod for filler material. I reckon the thickness of the material here dictates the choice. Too thin to stick weld ... specially for a newbie.

Thanks for the reply.

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Great thread! Took me days to finish reading. Dami kong natutunan. Thanks Guys!

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Great thread! Took me days to finish reading. Dami kong natutunan. Thanks Guys!

Welcome to Hot Side bro.

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Hi there guys and to other welding enthusiasts,

I would like to share with you what I have been doing this past few weeks, well I've been practicing again with my two stick welders, a 250 amps generic locally made welder and a 300 amps Yamato welder. I've been practicing stick welding on thin sheet metals since I myself was intrigued by my replies to Jayl's inquiries on what to use on welding his stainless cylinder tank that developed some air leaks at the bottom.

OK I'm used to welding thicker metals like flat bars, angle bars, rebars, GI pipes and some black irons but not with thin sheet metals. Had plans already to do a very simple WIP sana on a diy dust pan but changed my mind, needed to practice first on welding this thin sheets of metal. :p

I used 1.0 mm and 1.6 mm thick sheet metals, again these are recycled and scraps that I have in my scrap piles. My friend, who finished training at TESDA with NC 1 and NC 2 certificates says this is a good way to practice welding on thin sheets since this kind of welding, he has not come across during his training at TESDA. 🙁

So sorry I was not able to take pics or record my progress and my mistakes too in welding together the simple project, I was so engrossed on how I will be able to weld these thin sheets together and minimizing burning holes, and producing good continues welds. I have just finished the pan this afternoon and will be working on the handle with some ornamental designs included in the coming days. I'll post some pics if I can take some photos of its succeeding progress.

My oh my, I'm glad I did this 'coz I've discovered and learned so many things while doing this practice project. I'll share my discoveries in the succeeding days to come.

Thanks for having the patience in reading this. 🙂 :thanks:

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I'll be waiting sir for your update.
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Re: Welding Newbie

Hi there guys and to other welding enthusiasts,

I would like to share with you what I have been doing this past few weeks, well I've been practicing again with my two stick welders, a 250 amps generic locally made welder and a 300 amps Yamato welder. I've been practicing stick welding on thin sheet metals since I myself was intrigued by my replies to Jayl's inquiries on what to use on welding his stainless cylinder tank that developed some air leaks at the bottom.

OK I'm used to welding thicker metals like flat bars, angle bars, rebars, GI pipes and some black irons but not with thin sheet metals. Had plans already to do a very simple WIP sana on a diy dust pan but changed my mind, needed to practice first on welding this thin sheets of metal. :p

I used 1.0 mm and 1.6 mm thick sheet metals, again these are recycled and scraps that I have in my scrap piles. My friend, who finished training at TESDA with NC 1 and NC 2 certificates says this is a good way to practice welding on thin sheets since this kind of welding, he has not come across during his training at TESDA. 🙁

So sorry I was not able to take pics or record my progress and my mistakes too in welding together the simple project, I was so engrossed on how I will be able to weld these thin sheets together and minimizing burning holes, and producing good continues welds. I have just finished the pan this afternoon and will be working on the handle with some ornamental designs included in the coming days. I'll post some pics if I can take some photos of its succeeding progress.

My oh my, I'm glad I did this 'coz I've discovered and learned so many things while doing this practice project. I'll share my discoveries in the succeeding days to come.

Thanks for having the patience in reading this. :thanks:

Bro .... that's great.

You also reminded me now that I haven't touched the tank I need to patch up. Job still pending .. LOL 🙂