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 king
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I am planning to buy an oxy-acetylene torch kit and I need advice from the experts here what features I need to look for in a good kit for starters like me. Also aside from the torch what other items should I consider with the kit. I am not really particular on the make or brand as long as it is reliable and safe and is reasonably priced. Thanks :thanks:

 
Posted : 31/03/2012 6:59 pm
butch11a
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

for me Victor, Harris, Smith, Cigweld..ok na brands, just find one that has a local dealer so that you can get different torches for it....

 
Posted : 31/03/2012 8:08 pm
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

I'm a Victor oxy ace outfit fan. Arguably one of the best out there.

You can check out the Victor Cutskill series available in the local market. The good thing about this kit is that the torch itself has a built in flashback arrestor which in my opinion is a very good safety feature.

Another brand I see around is Harris. A good name too and well respected in the industry. However I think their torch does not have a built in flash back arrestor but only a reverse flow check valve.

I was informed before that Harris consumables like welding and cutting tips are more readily available. Probably cheaper than Victor too.

My tanks are equipped with flashback arrestors. You might want to look further into this. With Oxy Ace welding and cutting there is really no substitute for full safety precautions.

I chose Western Enterprises safety products but these are also available from Victor, Harris, Smith or other companies.

http://www.bettymills.com/shop/product/view/Western%20Enterprises/WSE312-FA-30.html

I suggest you get a fire extinguisher too.

Hope this helps.

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Posted : 31/03/2012 8:22 pm
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

how much do the tanks cost? i saw welding outfits starting at 3500. i don't need big tips or cutting torches yet though, so i might get indidual pieces instead.
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Posted : 31/03/2012 8:27 pm
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

I deposited 11,600 pesos at Alvimco Co. for my Oxygen and Acetylene tanks. Paid 320 an 550 pesos for Oxygen and Acetylene contents respectively.

Millermatic 180 Autoset Mig Welder
Miller Spoolmate 100 Spool Gun
Victor Firepower 350 Oxy Ace Outfit
3M Speedglas 9002X AD Helmet
Makita LC1230 Dry Cut Saw
Ingersoll Rand Air Tools
Snap On Tools
Metabo Power Tools
Norseman Drill Cutting Tools
Bosch Power Tools
3M PPS

 
Posted : 31/03/2012 9:03 pm
 king
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

I'm a Victor oxy ace outfit fan. Arguably one of the best out there.

You can check out the Victor Cutskill series available in the local market. The good thing about this kit is that the torch itself has a built in flashback arrestor which in my opinion is a very good safety feature.

Another brand I see around is Harris. A good name too and well respected in the industry. However I think their torch does not have a built in flash back arrestor but only a reverse flow check valve.

I was informed before that Harris consumables like welding and cutting tips are more readily available. Probably cheaper than Victor too.

My tanks are equipped with flashback arrestors. You might want to look further into this. With Oxy Ace welding and cutting there is really no substitute for full safety precautions.

I chose Western Enterprises safety products but these are also available from Victor, Harris, Smith or other companies.

http://www.bettymills.com/shop/product/view/Western%20Enterprises/WSE312-FA-30.html

I suggest you get a fire extinguisher too.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info. I have additional questions though:

Which is a safer route for the flashback arrestor - in the torch just like the Victor or installing it at the tank side?

I don't need heavy duty equipment and light to medium duty will do it for me. Are there specific models you can recommend?

I've also seen Victor and Harris models at Sulit and some are brand new and others used. Do you think 2nd hand kits are safe enough and what defects should I watch out for when buying a used kit?

 
Posted : 01/04/2012 9:11 am
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

Thanks for the info. I have additional questions though:

Which is a safer route for the flashback arrestor - in the torch just like the Victor or installing it at the tank side?

I don't need heavy duty equipment and light to medium duty will do it for me. Are there specific models you can recommend?

I've also seen Victor and Harris models at Sulit and some are brand new and others used. Do you think 2nd hand kits are safe enough and what defects should I watch out for when buying a used kit?

I use flashback arrestors both in the Torch and Regulator side.

If buying second hand then may I suggest you get the help of a pro in checking out the stuff first. As much as possible for a tool like this I much prefer to buy new. Too much hazards specially for a newbie.

Millermatic 180 Autoset Mig Welder
Miller Spoolmate 100 Spool Gun
Victor Firepower 350 Oxy Ace Outfit
3M Speedglas 9002X AD Helmet
Makita LC1230 Dry Cut Saw
Ingersoll Rand Air Tools
Snap On Tools
Metabo Power Tools
Norseman Drill Cutting Tools
Bosch Power Tools
3M PPS

 
Posted : 01/04/2012 11:18 am
 king
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

I use flashback arrestors both in the Torch and Regulator side.

If buying second hand then may I suggest you get the help of a pro in checking out the stuff first. As much as possible for a tool like this I much prefer to buy new. Too much hazards specially for a newbie.

Thanks for the advice. I'm still curious as to why you have 2 flashback arrestors (torch and reg side) - isn't just 1 enough since both accomplishes the same thing whether torch side or tank side?

Saw this advertisement at Sulit of a brand new Oxy/Ace cutting outfit kit for P3.5K. The brand is MASTER most probably China made. If anyone is familiar with the brand/kit I would appreciate comments.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/2557930/MASTER+Oxygen/Acetylene+Cutting+Outfit+%28Brand+New%29?referralKeywords=acetylene+torch

 
Posted : 01/04/2012 7:45 pm
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

Full protection set up calls for arrestors at the torch and tanks.

Flashbacks originate from the torch side which is more dangerous.

However if for any reason my hose gets damaged from external sources ( flying hot metal etc... ) then the arrestors at the tanks will contain the burn back.

If I had only one set of flashback arrestors then I'd choose to place these at the tanks as a last line of defense.

Millermatic 180 Autoset Mig Welder
Miller Spoolmate 100 Spool Gun
Victor Firepower 350 Oxy Ace Outfit
3M Speedglas 9002X AD Helmet
Makita LC1230 Dry Cut Saw
Ingersoll Rand Air Tools
Snap On Tools
Metabo Power Tools
Norseman Drill Cutting Tools
Bosch Power Tools
3M PPS

 
Posted : 01/04/2012 8:14 pm
 king
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

However if for any reason my hose gets damaged from external sources ( flying hot metal etc... ) then the arrestors at the tanks will contain the burn back.

I see that makes sense.

Just saw your other thread "Welding Newbie" (really long but should be a sticky IMHO) specially the oxy-ace parts. For my needs I guess I need only the small tips since I'll be using it mostly for thin sheet metal and and piping.

Tnx

 
Posted : 02/04/2012 9:27 am
JayL
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

I see that makes sense.

Just saw your other thread "Welding Newbie" (really long but should be a sticky IMHO) specially the oxy-ace parts. For my needs I guess I need only the small tips since I'll be using it mostly for thin sheet metal and and piping.

Tnx

When I assembled the oxy ace setup I knew nothing at all about it.

www.weldingweb.com helped a lot to get me started.

You might want to check out the smaller lighter torches if it will be for sheet metal use.

I'll see what I can do to make Welding Newbie a sticky.

Millermatic 180 Autoset Mig Welder
Miller Spoolmate 100 Spool Gun
Victor Firepower 350 Oxy Ace Outfit
3M Speedglas 9002X AD Helmet
Makita LC1230 Dry Cut Saw
Ingersoll Rand Air Tools
Snap On Tools
Metabo Power Tools
Norseman Drill Cutting Tools
Bosch Power Tools
3M PPS

 
Posted : 02/04/2012 12:22 pm
 king
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

You might want to check out the smaller lighter torches if it will be for sheet metal use.

I'm actually leaning on those although I just wonder if they're also adequate for fillet brazing steel (chromoly) tubes with copper.

 
Posted : 03/04/2012 2:40 am
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

brass might be a better filler metal or if you want nice smooth joints silver can also be used.....

 
Posted : 03/04/2012 7:33 am
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

for copper pipes, isn't propane/butane sufficient? i once watched an aircon repair - the copper tubing was closed using a torch with an aerosol can.

it gave me ideas about making a heatpipe for pc cooling, hehe
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Posted : 03/04/2012 12:05 pm
 king
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Re: oxyacetylene torch advice pls.

brass might be a better filler metal or if you want nice smooth joints silver can also be used.....

You are correct... may bad, I actually meant brass and not copper.

Silver is quite pricey altho lower melting temp means less heat on the thin tubes is needed... but will silver be as strong as brass? If not should I tack weld before fillet brazing?

I plan to braze thin walled chromoly tubes with wall thickness between 0.6mm to 0.8mm

 
Posted : 04/04/2012 11:26 am
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