Re: HELP: Power Tools advice

Guys/Gurus/Master,

Currently looking for power tools (home use, light to medium work). I'm eyeing for angle grinder and drill. Had a visit in one surplus shops selling variety of power tools and they quoted me the following;

angle grinder (Makita) - 1,800
hand drill (Maktek) 3,000

Needs heads-up in terms of specs for my right tools. Do you think the above price merits a wise buy?

TIA 🙂

Skil and Bosch have Promos that are very close to those prices. Try to get in touch with our fellow PHM member Coolmaxheric. For the same budget he can give you comparable power tools. He gives special discounts to us members. 😉

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if your in manila or q.c area you can try www.kimgold.com.ph they are on promo very affordable prices. and i think with warranty.

better that buying surplus

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Comparing their price point to brand new, the difference is not that much plus im getting a warranty for the purchase.

I have seen these number on specs sheet -- 3/8" Drill, 4.9 AMP, Speed 2500 will these fit for all around household work?

Need suggestion for a grinder (light to medium work).

🙂 thanks!

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If you are looking to use it for heavy metal and concrete works then get a Rotary hammer model. Avoid the variable speed models as their switching circuits get fried eventually. A basic model w/ as much punch or power will suffice. What's important is you are comfortable with it's handling, weight, features and price. Get it from dealers with the most efficient and proven after sales service.

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my first drill was Bosch GSB 10RE so far it still serves me well. just around 2,700 with case and 100 pcs accessorizes it also have hammer drill function. can do lite to med work.

grinder you can buy skill 9620. i just bought 2 of this, i used it on cutting granite, cement wall, steel, so far still going strong. and just 1round 1,200+

regarding makita or maktec brand i still haven't used those brand.

by the way i used my tool for my business.

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i also have the same conundrum with power tools in regards to brand or budget. will Skil measure up to the Bosch or Makita on light to medium works?

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i also have the same conundrum with power tools in regards to brand or budget. will Skil measure up to the Bosch or Makita on light to medium works?

Skil is marketed for hobbyists. Bosch for professionals.
Maktec is similarly marketed for light duty, relative to Makita.

The terms "light duty" and "heavy duty" are very hazy, and much-abused.
It's not just how much force is required, but how many workhours a tool
is expected to perform every year.

With respect to drills (especially impact/hammer drills), the force factor is
more significant than with angle grinders. For angle grinders, workhours
should be a more significant factor than for drills, but most unfortunately,
angle grinders are among the most misused power tools today, and bad
user technique ends their service-lives prematurely.

[COLOR="Indigo"]It may be useful to look at how Robert Bosch GmBH once reckoned the
matter of powertool design and marketing. They focused on three broad
categories, each based on service-life (back when they hadn't yet moved
production to China, with a resultant drop in cost and quality):

handyman/hobbyist powertool---- 200 hours lifespan
professional powertool ---- 600 hours lifespan
industrial powertool ---- 2000 hours lifespan

source: Stahel, Walter R. (1989) Langlebigkeit und Materialrecycling -
Strategien zur Vermeidung von Abfällen im Bereich der Produkte; Vulkan
Verlag, Essen; ISBN 3-8027-2815-7

Think about it: how often will you REALLY use that grinder, or that router,
or that jointer, per year? For how many hours each time?

If the ^above ratio in service-life still holds true for Bosch GmBH powertool
products, then it can make sense to buy Bosch rather than Skil, because
a Bosch could last 200% longer, yet cost only 50% to 100% more than a
Skil.

Again, that's if the ratio in service-lives still holds true. With the big move to
China for production, quality has fallen to the point where it's hard to say
just how much longer a Bosch really lasts, compared to a Skil.

h.

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Skil is marketed for hobbyists. Bosch for professionals.
Maktec is similarly marketed for light duty, relative to Makita.

The terms "light duty" and "heavy duty" are very hazy, and much-abused.
It's not just how much force is required, but how many workhours a tool
is expected to perform every year.

With respect to drills (especially impact/hammer drills), the force factor is
more significant than with angle grinders. For angle grinders, workhours
should be a more significant factor than for drills, but most unfrotuntately,
angle grinders are among the most misused power tools today, and bad
user technique ends their service-lives prematurely.

[COLOR="Indigo"]It may be useful to look at how Robert Bosch GmBH once reckoned the
matter of powertool design and marketing. They focused on three broad
categories, each based on service-life (back when they hadn't yet moved
production to China, with a resultant drop in cost and quality):

handyman/hobbyist powertool---- 200 hours lifespan
professional powertool ---- 600 hours lifespan
industrial powetool ---- 2000 hours lifespan

source: Stahel, Walter R. (1989) Langlebigkeit und Materialrecycling -
Strategien zur Vermeidung von Abfällen im Bereich der Produkte; Vulkan
Verlag, Essen; ISBN 3-8027-2815-7

Think about it: how often will you REALLY use that grinder, or that router,
or that jointer, per year? For how many hours each time?

If the ^above ratio in service-life still holds true for Bosch GmBH powertool
products, then it can make sense to keep Bosch rather than Skil, because
a Bosch could last 200% longer, yet cost only 50% to 100% more than a
Skil.

Again, that's if the ratio in service-lives still holds true. With the big move to
China for production, quality has fallen to the point where it's hard to say
just how much longer a Bosch really lasts, compared to a Skil.

h.

thanks sir horge for narrowing the choices down. Most of us(newbies), if not all tend to buy those expensive branded tools specially if we don't have anybody to ask about it and just to be safe. Kaya big thanks to PHM in helping us newbies. Actually, i work on a ship and i do my DIY's during vacation lang which is about 2-3mos/year ang vacation leave ko. So that means my tool usage falls under hobbyist:)

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always remember proper care / maintenance and proper usage of the tools will last you along time..

in my every project i see to it that my men are properly oriented how to use the tool, and after the project the tools are properly clean inside and out literally due to dust , dirt, debris on the job site. it may affect the power tools armature. and my cause friction.

you may also want to buy a blower to clean your tools. i find blower useful no unless you have compressor which is better to blow off some dust dirt debris.

tip on using tool.

example angle Grinder. if your using it for cutting of tiles/cement wall/floor always cut to the position where the dust is away the tools never to the tools because power tools have built in air ventilation to cool down your tool as you use it.

also never put your tool down where there are dust if the power tool is not yet completely stop. this may cause to suck the dust in to the tools.

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@ bro horge,

Very good information on power tool classifications, very informative for newbies starting out in acquiring their first power tools. :thumbup: :massbounce:

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in my every project i see to it that my men are properly oriented how to use the tool.

You're lucky...
The guys I have to deal with (my own teams, as well as those of contractors) are
impervious to instruction. Even when it's their health and safety that I'm trying to
save, they just keep on doing things the wrong way. Sa welding PPE pa lang, it's
as if they WANT to go blind and get cancer. Angle-grinder safety guards are just a
nuisance to them, so tinatanggal... and don't get me started on hammer drills.

Very good information on power tool classifications

I chose Bosch data, albeit 24-year old data, because it's a good benchmark to apply:
Bosch built some of the most durable powertools ...or at least they did 24 years ago.
Present-day powertool service-lives are generally kept secret by manufacturers, to
keep consumers from making direct brand vs. brand comparisons, or from detecting
a deliberate reduction in quality.

The Bosch service-life figures focus on "wear-parts", such as the drive unit, bearings,
switches, motor anchor, etc., but exclude carbon brushes which generally last from
100-200 hours, and are easily replaceable.

The number of hours a DIY'er uses a powertool, annually, can be very low indeed if
you think about it. Not many DIY'ers are going to use a drill 30 hours a year, average.
How many seconds to drill a hole in wood? How many in steel or concrete? 30 hours
can mean well over 90,000 small holes in wood. Is a DIYer or home-handyman going
to drill that many every year? Even if some DIY'er pushes a hobbyist-class powertool
that hard, his/her tool's still going to last an estimated 6.7 years, if he/she takes good
basic care of said tool. 6.7 years is not bad at all for a hobbyist-class tool often costing
less than PHP2,500.00 ...assuming (again, of course) that the "hobbyist-class" device
actually has a 200-hour service life.

There are certainly fake/generic tools sold for even cheaper today, but with lifespans
of just 90 hours (the carbon brushes actually outlast the alloy castings). It ought to
be common sense to stay away from such sidewalk-vendor garbage: it's no longer a
question of durability but personal safety, given their low quality and the very high-
rpm spinning metal parts involved. Personal safety aside, there's the risk you might be
imposing on whatever you're using the tool on: you could damage the very thing you
are trying to fix/build, when the low-quality tool inevitably malfunctions.

Of course, averages are merely a guide. All I'm really saying is:
"Know what you need/want. Know EXACTLY what you're getting for your money."

To that, I might add "Beware of tool snobs".
Many of them know more (far more) about tool-collecting than tool-using.
:p

JM2, YMMV...

Bro horge you're input are very informative thank you 🙂

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Yes bro amboy, we are really glad and thankful that we have horge here at PHM, he shares valuable tips and information in different aspects of building and tools as well, etc etc.

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Yes bro amboy, we are really glad and thankful that we have horge here at PHM, he shares valuable tips and information in different aspects of building and tools as well, etc etc.

So true..pati history and data kumpleto..
Madugo nga lang....

Sa ilong:p