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You're lucky...
The guys I have to deal with (my own teams, as well as those of contractors) are
impervious to instruction. Even when it's their health and safety that I'm trying to
save, they just keep on doing things the wrong way. Sa welding PPE pa lang, it's
as if they WANT to go blind and get cancer. Angle-grinder safety guards are just a
nuisance to them, so tinatanggal... and don't get me started on hammer drills.

[COLOR="Blue"]True, I have a bunch of busted tools (around 24 units) that I have invested time, money and training but still nasira pa rin. The only solution I came up with is to include tool replacement in my project costing since most tools nowadays are China made and reasonably priced. This way whatever happens to the tool I don't have to worry about it that much. Downtime is also more expensive trying to revive a beat up tool so it's wiser to replace it altogether. When you buy a "super" brand tool it usually is expensive and your attachment to it is much worst knowing how good the specs are and how much it cost you. Parang ayaw mo ipagamit tuloy w/c defeats the purpose of buying it.

Of course, averages are merely a guide. All I'm really saying is:
"Know what you need/want. Know EXACTLY what you're getting for your money."

To that, I might add "Beware of tool snobs".
Many of them know more (far more) about tool-collecting than tool-using.
:p

JM2, YMMV...

[COLOR="blue"]This is usually true for some tool collectors. They buy the most expensive toys to get bragging rights.:wacko: Kinda like the Hummer H2/H3, most of the owners bought them for the bling leaving a handful of Off road enthusiasts to enjoy it's features. Maiiyak ka pagnakita mo ung mga nasunog at nasira kong gamit na mamahalin but I tell you it was worth it. These tools did what they were supposed to and more giving me the opportunity to afford frequent tool replacements. Some people glorify their tools putting their potentials to waste. Nasa estante o cabinet lang at pinupunasan agad kapag nadudumihan.:rolleyes:

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[COLOR="blue"] Nasa estante o cabinet lang at pinupunasan agad kapag nadudumihan.:rolleyes:

hehehe!parang ako ito!pero pag may time na for WIPS gamit na gamit yan, medyo busy lang sa bagong baby e.hehehe..:peace:

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We are still a third world country. Most of the branded good tooling are just normal acquisition and usage for those residing in far more richer countries.

That said if we buy good tooling we must be able to maximize it as advised by members. Return on Investment is a good barometer. However for most hobbyists I doubt they consider the cost factor that much since to them it looks like it is an expense rather than an investment.

I do a bit of tools importing and selling myself. My data shows that commercial users usually go for mid range products. Almost 90% of the top end branded tools I bring goes to Hobbyist and DIYers. Of course this is but a personal view from my limited experience.

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We are still a third world country. Most of the branded good tooling are just normal acquisition and usage for those residing in far more richer countries.

That said if we buy good tooling we must be able to maximize it as advised by members. Return on Investment is a good barometer. However for most hobbyists I doubt they consider the cost factor that much since to them it looks like it is an expense rather than an investment.

I do a bit of tools importing and selling myself. My data shows that commercial users usually go for mid range products. Almost 90% of the top end branded tools I bring goes to Hobbyist and DIYers. Of course this is but a personal view from my limited experience.

+1 on this Jay
for most filipino folks, high end branded power tools are out of their reach or cannot justify spending that much... either that or the mrs. does not approve 😀

i belong to the group of DIY'er who use their tools whenever time permits but also takes time to maintain them properly. however i do look at them as an investment rather than an outright expense. i guess different strokes for different folks 🙂

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[QUOTE. i guess different strokes for different folks 🙂

I think you just summed it all up bro with the words above. 🙂

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i agree if you have a very valuable tool is hard to leave it to your worker. i used to have bosch on all of my power tools but sadly they where all stolen.. so back to zero and my budget just fall on skil brand so far still good.

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+1 on this Jay
i belong to the group of DIY'er who use their tools whenever time permits but also takes time to maintain them properly. however i do look at them as an investment rather than an outright expense. i guess different strokes for different folks 🙂

Different strokes talaga, or in other words: we [COLOR="DarkRed"]need/want different things.
That's why I summed up thusly...

All I'm really saying is:
"Know what you [COLOR="darkred"]need/want. Know EXACTLY what you're getting for your money."

There's nothing wrong with viewing tools, in part or in whole, as collectibles,
or as investments, or heck, even just as tools. I myself collect old vises. I also
appreciate high-end quality, which informs my own choice of tools, but I try
to never lose sight of the likelihood that others don't share my own particular
"[COLOR="darkred"]need/want".

With respect to my earlier, unsolicited warning:

To that, I might add "Beware of tool snobs".
Many of them know more (far more) about tool-collecting than tool-using.

Being a tool-collector or a tool-connoisseur doesn't make one a snob.
One is a snob when they bash a hobbyist's choice of hobbyist-class tools,
even though (or indeed, essentially because) the hobbyist has different
[COLOR="darkred"]needs/wants than the snob's own. A lack of productive experience with
the tools in question merely discredits the snob even further.

😉

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[COLOR="blue"] Some people glorify their tools putting their potentials to waste. Nasa estante o cabinet lang at pinupunasan agad kapag nadudumihan.:rolleyes:

I meant no offense to anyone especially to those who are dedicated in their craft as hobbyists or DIYers. I have seen people that are not just hobbyists/DIYers but even commercial/industrial users who include in their arsenal of tools the most precious items they can find and refuse to use them. The value of the tool seems more important than it's potential gain be it business or skill improvement. I remember a friend's Mom in the 90's who bought a bunch of Corelle plates from the US but refuses to bring them out because it is part of her precious collection. Mahal daw dito ung brand na iyon at konti lang daw ang meron. Years later Thailand was commissioned to manufacture for this company their products making these plates easily available in ASIA. These plates always go on "sale" making them ordinary or not as rare as they were. The poor woman claims that her collection are even more precious now because they were made purely in the US. I guess those plates will never see any light of day.:naughty2: Mas bilib ako sa tao kapag ginagamit nya yung tool no matter how expensive or cheap it is as long as he is able to enjoy his toy. Di baleng ala masyadong oras gumamit pero kung may pagkakataon ginagamit kaysa ayaw talagang gamitin kasi baka mabawasan ang kagwapuhan nung tool. Ang alam ko di naman GI JOE or Barbie collectibles yang mga iyan eh, di ba? We buy tools to improve our craft and to be able to enjoy the benefits of using them. My two cents.:):peace:

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There's nothing wrong with viewing tools, in part or in whole, as collectibles,
or as investments, or heck, even just as tools. I myself collect old vises. I also
appreciate high-end quality, which informs my own choice of tools, but I try
to never lose sight of the likelihood that others don't share my own particular
"[COLOR="darkred"]need/want".
😉

If I may use your quote, when you bought the pre-owned vise I assume your goal was to bring it back to it's original state. You spent precious time to preserve it's original parts and will source out it's missing or damaged parts to be able to appreciate it's value and potential. This passion made it worth the time and the tool acquisition gratifying. On any given day I guess you will use it when needed knowing it is ready and geared for battle di ba? That's what differentiates us from other tool collectors. We recognize the real value of the tool more than it's perceived image. If you don't get the chance to improve your tool usage or skills, how would you know the real capabilities of these tools and their worth? When the Lamborghini Countach came out in the 80's I never stopped dreaming about it. When the reviewers bashed it, my childhood crush just faded away realizing it's beauty was just skin deep. I value and respect the opinion of those who have first hand, tested testimonies. Just my two cents.:thumbup:

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when you bought the pre-owned vise I assume your goal was to bring it back to it's original state. You spent precious time to preserve it's original parts and will source out it's missing or damaged parts to be able to appreciate it's value and potential. This passion made it worth the time and the tool acquisition gratifying. On any given day I guess you will use it when needed knowing it is ready and geared for battle di ba?

Yes, Willy.
:agree:

Tools were meant to be used.
They're also meant to receive proper care and maintenance.

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Good tools ... good tools as much as the budget can afford.

This is Moji's forum signature.

"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has been forgotten.” Benjamin Franklin

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what's the best tool for sanding wood? BEST for NOOB that is! 🙂 Well, I actually hope that in my case it's getting the right accessories.

I bought circular pad (and velcro sandpaper 60 and 120) for my router. Not very happy with the results esp with the uneven surface. Or kelangan ko lang practice pa? salamat.

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what's the best tool for sanding wood? BEST for NOOB that is! 🙂 Well, I actually hope that in my case it's getting the right accessories.

I bought circular pad (and velcro sandpaper 60 and 120) for my router. Not very happy with the results esp with the uneven surface. Or kelangan ko lang practice pa? salamat.

Some use angle grinders as sanders and then there are those who use different tools like air operated sanders. A router is not specifically designed to be used as a sander. A Random Orbital Sander otherwise known as ROS and a sheet sander should be your best friends. :soccer:

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a sanding pad with router?
seriously?

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Can't imagine using a sanding pad with a router.

There are cheap (less than PHP2k) 6" Ryobi random orbital sanders around. If you can find 6", 8 hole velcro backed sanding discs, you're good to go.

Or get a Bosch (around PHP6k) and get some 5" sanding discs.