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...jay, just want to ask if this is 220V 50Hz or 60Hz? i wanted to buy bosch products here especially this tool, but all are rated 50Hz. im wondering with all you guys experience with power tools if its ok and safe to use 50Hz rated tools there in the phil. thanks!

My Bosch Oscillating Multitool is a US model thus is 120V 60 Hz.

I just use a 220v to 110v step down voltage regulator to power it.

Other more experienced users can give feedback on the 220V 50 Hz tools. I shy away from tools using this configuration because of the frequency issue thus have no actual experience on this matter.

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May I share also something about my power tool, I purchased my first 5" angle grinder in 2002, its a Black & Decker and have used it extensively for cutting and grinding metals and even used it to cut concrete blocks, in other words have abused it and up to now have not had a chance to change its carbon brush nor showing signs that it needs carbon brush replacement. :rolleyes: :p

And guess what, I was curios that I checked its label a few months back and it is a 50Hz, made in CHINA, and still going strong. i didn't care much before whether its a 50Hz or 60Hz. :shocked2:

And the same as sir DING, I too have several power tools, RYOBIs and OZITOs purchased from online sellers from Sulit and most of them if not all are 50Hz and they are all doing fine and performing well, great too for DIY projects, though I also use other brands with industrial grade power tools.

On my personal assessment, yes sir DING is right, those RYOBIs and OZITOs are so cheap and worth the risk. 😮

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Ok I'm not saying here that its ok to buy tools with only 50Hz, it is still much better to get power tools with 50Hz to 60Hz in their labels just to make sure our tools will conform with the electric current/frequency so not to burn the motor.

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I prefer Ryobi than Ozito. My thicknesser is Ryobi with dual 50/60 Hz rating meaning it can perform to our local Hz rating without a problem.

Ozito is 50Hz lang talaga. My Black and Decker circular saw bought at Wilcon 5 years ago is also 50Hz but still no problem, only thing is maingay because the motor is spinning 20% more than its rated RPM.

...and besides my Uncle in Sydney says that most of his power tools are Ryobi because Ryobi is one of the most respected brands in Australia and UK.

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...and besides my Uncle in Sydney says that most of his power tools are Ryobi because Ryobi is one of the most respected brands in Australia and UK.

I agree on this Armand as this is also what I read mostly in Aussie woodworking sites since Bunning's (Australia's version of Home Depot) distributes Ryobi (Ozito and GMC too) and there are a lot of it's branches scattered all Australia.

However, the ones shipped to US where the ones that were returned (defect, user unsatisfaction, not so much power) thus we get a mix of looks new, beaten, defective, good and not so good returns from all those piles.

Just like what they say in any product, YMMV (Your mileage may vary).

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Price wise 6 Ryobi Thicknesser = 1 Makita Thicknesser .... a bit stiff.

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Running a 50Hz tool in out 60Hz outlet would be subjectively fine since as the cooling will be more efficient due to a higher rotational speed but the bearings/bushings/carbon will be more affected negatively.

There are a lot of tools out there that may take anything that any DIYer could possibly do on it. it will all just depend on the user's priorities in terms of budget, time and effort.

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I can see an overwhelming regard for Ryobi's and other cheap Sulit surplus products. Let me temper this a bit.

I bought a Ryobi table saw. It never performed perfectly. It was a bit paling. Never could correct properly but, for rough cuts, good enough. It died on me but I abused it quite a bit, ripping 24 foot long 15mmx22mm strips. Sold it off here to someone who, I hope managed to have productive use for it. Bottom line, I think I still got my money's worth with the TS by the time it died.

I now have a Bosch TS which costs about 5x the Ryobi TS. Why didn't I get another Ryobi? Simply because I believe the TS is the heart of a woodworker's workshop. It is, right now, my most used tool. So I am betting the added expense will be paid back with more accurate cuts, ease of use, and durability.

My Ryobi's and Ozito's are for less critical work requiring less accuracy: sanders, screwdrivers. Only surprising exception is the thicknesser which, I find still great value for money because it planes accurately, evenly, and can take abuse. Encouraged, I got a Ryobi drill press and Chop Saw. I'm wishing I have something better because accuracy is just not spot-on. The play is very small; but sometimes, that hair of a gap is just not tolerable.

If I could start over, I'd never get Ryobi's for TS, drill press, chop saw, perhaps, not a router either. But definitely I'd go for Ryobi's on sanders, screwdrivers, maybe circ saw, or even a planer since I use these tools for rough work. The thicknesser, from experience, is a gem.
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...great inputs guys.:thanks: in theory a 50Hz rated tool does rotates faster than a 60Hz rated tool if used in the phils (60Hz outlet). i bought a bosch gmr 1 (rated 50Hz) and used it to trim the edge of 3pcs 8ft x 1"x 4" wood, make it 72ft for all the longer sides. i was a little nervous that it would overheat or blow or something. but funny thing is, it went well. long term? that i have not the chance to experience yet.

...like jarod said your mileage may vary...balarila, armand and rosy's experience with 50Hz rated tools seems ok from the long experience of owning and using them. and yes, these does'nt mean its ok to use them in the phils... but sometimes great tools like jayl's recently purchased multi tool makes you buy it in a wink of an eye once it becomes available (...and the wife's too busy to notice). but sadly here in hk almost all bosch products are rated 220-240v 50Hz. fein's too expensive, other products are out of reach, the first bosch cordless multi tool are too weak, but their corded multi tool now is just right and have 5stars review in amazon (thanks jayl for the link)
... amazon 120v 60Hz or hongkong 220-240v 50Hz? hahaha! quite a predicament there...from your experiences with 50Hz rated tools, i'll take the plunge with these 50Hz rated bosch tools finally from now on. don't worry, i wont advocate the use of 50Hz rated tools to be used in the phils.

...so sorry to jayl for going off topic with the frequency thing.:)

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I hope more will post regarding the 50 Hz issue. This topic usually come up more often than not because of the availability of a wide range of Australian surplus power tools in the local market.

My most used air die grinder size and configuration. Ingersoll Rand 308.

These Acme swivels are very very convenient to use specially when you find yourself in a tight spot where an air hose is a liability unless it can be re positioned.

a bit stiff at 500 pesos each but worth it ....

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Just bought this on eBay, a classic Proto 234 (compound leverage) pliers, very rare:

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Fig. 28 shows a pair of Proto 234 pliers with an unusual adjustable compound-action mechanism. The handle is stamped "MFD. U.S.A." with "Pat. No. 2600512" below. One of the pieces is also marked with a forged-in code "K.7.4" (not shown).

The overall length is 8.3 inches, and the finish is polished chrome.

The patent notice refers to patent #2,600,512, filed by H.A. Mead in 1947 and issued in 1952.

The Proto catalogs referred to this as the "Multi-Plier" and noted the great gripping force of the compound leverage action. Currently our earliest catalog reference to these pliers is from 1954, and this model continued to be available at least through 1962.

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got 1 box during our convention.
250 php convention price, all sizes.
available at various medical and dental supplies.

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Finally i have a drill bit set...

No brand on the box or bits but seems to be of good quality.

and a second one

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A few messages back in this thread, I gave glowing compliments on the 50Hz Ryobi Thicknesser. May I mention now that my thicknesser is dead. It appears the armature is misaligned and probably not worth repairing. I probably fed some rough cut lumber too aggressively into it. Thought I'd share this bit of experience here as my previous comment on this thicknesser may have implied that it is bullet-proof.
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A few messages back in this thread, I gave glowing compliments on the 50Hz Ryobi Thicknesser. May I mention now that my thicknesser is dead. It appears the armature is misaligned and probably not worth repairing. I probably fed some rough cut lumber too aggressively into it. Thought I'd share this bit of experience here as my previous comment on this thicknesser may have implied that it is bullet-proof.
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Sorry to hear about the breakdown. I reckon all tools breakdown sooner or later. Did you get good mileage out of the thicknesser before it finally gave up the ghost?

I'm also contemplating to get one because of the attractive price and performance reviews of owners. This is the first instance I'm hearing about longevity issue and an electrical breakdown for that matter. My concern now is if the 50 Hz has got something to do with it at all.

I hope we find out what really went wrong and better yet be able to find a fix ( i.e. replacement parts availability)

Is the armature held by bushings or bearings?

Thanks

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Sorry to hear about the breakdown. I reckon all tools breakdown sooner or later. Did you get good mileage out of the thicknesser before it finally gave up the ghost?

I'm also contemplating to get one because of the attractive price and performance reviews of owners. This is the first instance I'm hearing about longevity issue and an electrical breakdown for that matter. My concern now is if the 50 Hz has got something to do with it at all.

I hope we find out what really went wrong and better yet be able to find a fix ( i.e. replacement parts availability)

Is the armature held by bushings or bearings?

Thanks

Hi JayL,

Nowadays armature bearings are held by the motor's plastic housing so at the slightest case of chain breakage or bearing collapse the housing cracks or worst melts. Even if the armature survives eventually misalignment will prevail and soon the armature burns. You may notice this problem if you check the commutator and the copper segments begin to blacken, not just darken. Excessive spark on the carbon brush and that burnt smell are clear indicators of this problem. What's worst is most tool motor housings are designed this way nowadays regardless of brand. It will now fall on the user to extend the life of his tools. In the case of Ding's thicknesser feed depth was the culprit.