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lag screws will be enough...

your irwin vise will just hold wood...what you really need to fortify will the butt joints..use the best adhesive that you can get..if fancy glues will be used, your planks will part away and not the lag screws imho;)

sending in photos of my build before.

goodluck!

V

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Thanks, Timber and Violaine.

Yes, I did check out your 2nd WB, Timber. Just wanted to sound off if you have any regrets. Obviously, you're happy with lag screws. Thanks for the size. Was wondering about that, too.

Your photo was most helpful, Violaine. And I know just what glue to use for strength, same as what I use for my boat: Epoxy resin embedded with StopSag and wood flour. For the legs and stretchers, I used epoxy. But for the top, I used some Elmers because it's just a lot easier to apply and clean up.

But I'll go back to epoxy for the aprons and spacer since, as you implied, I will need strength.

I can see that the two of you had slightly different installations. Timber carved the rear jaw into the back of the front apron's plank while Violaine carved his into the 2nd plank before covering it up with the front apron. They should work the same.

Good thing I checked sizes and installation just in the nick of time: right before constucting my apron assembly. My Woodsmith Workbench plan was designed for a front vise with a flat carriage (no rear jaw) so I have to do some apron adjustments.

Lesson: Always check sizes on appurtenances And understand where they go and fit before even starting.

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[HTML]Violaine carved his into the 2nd plank before covering it up with the front apron.[/HTML]

in this way, the material to be gripped by the jaws will be flushed to the aprons.

btw...we (Timber and I) made use of stainless steel lag screws and matching ss washers.

just tinker miore before you finally do it..you might come across a better idea of installing the vise.

how i wish i have installed the quick release type.

:pepsi:

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Got the screws and bolts.

Then tried to figure out how to install the vises. The tail vise has me stumped. So I contemplate by planing the top. An aha moment! So I set to work on the sliding block for the tail vise:

The plank on the left is where the non-business-end of the tail vise screw will rest in (through the hole). The clamped assembly (waiting for glue to dry) will be the sliding block. This block has a hole where the vise's screw will be threaded through.

Hope it works!

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it will work i guess...saved by the glue.

the pic is nice..warm glow of the wood and so is the clamp...

V

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That row of dogholes on the [COLOR="Red"]right should be one plank to the left! Aaaaargh!

Now, functionally, it should still work. But, asthetically, it will be a blemish staring me in the face. Forever.

What do you think? Live with it or rip it out and make a new plank and relaminate?

Isn't it the fashion (for some reason that I don't fully understand) to have the dogholes very close to the edge, e.g., just one lamination in, especially for the front (and usually only) row of holes, which are ones usually in line with the tail vise?

Not clear in the picture which is the front and back row, but if the row on the left is the front row, and even if it wasn't, shouldn't that be the one that should have been one lamination to the left?

The error/unbalance could actually be an advantage, since it gives more options/flexibility -- you have a row that is one lamination in, and another that is two laminations in. If you want both flexibility and symmetry, then how about holes one and two laminations in, on both front and back, for a total of five rows (laminations 2, 3, 7, 11, 12).

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Btw..why did you choose to have the dog holes in those locations which can put undue stress and split the laminations?

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That top laminated slab will still be sandwiched between the front and back apron. Back apron will be two planks while front is three. The apron planks will be thicker than the middle ones.
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oh well i got derailed from this thread hehe...i kept on thinking about the arts and crafts wb that Ian Kirby made which did not sport any aprons at all.

ok...post lang ng post brader.:attack:

V

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Forgot to mention: The 2nd plank of the front apron will also have dogholes that will be aligned with the tail vise sliding block (which also has dogholes), as Guad mentioned. Will try to post photo update later.

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Holiday today. SWMBO demanded a date so couldn't work on the workbench all day.

Cut and glued the front vise's spacer onto the front apron.

Tomorrow, when the glue dries, will install the front vise, then sandwich it with another front apron plank.

Also managed to cut and plane some of the planks for the lower shelf.

Then, my thicknesser, went up in smoke...literally. I'm still too scared to open it up. Tried jogging it again and it still moved but still smoked.

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Got to work a bit this morning on the workbench. Had to trim down the spacer for the vise. This is how it looks:

Glue is messy, will have to clean that up, pag sinipag.

Then routered the frontmost plank of the apron so that the rear jaw of the vise will sink into it. That plank is the one on top with lots of router mistakes. Should be ok. Hindi naman kita:p

Had to wrap the rear jaw with cellophane tape because I will be epoxying the front plank into the the inside plank and I don't want any epoxy getting into the vise's jaw, otherwise, there's no way I can remove that vise in the future if epoxy gets into the metal.

Here it is all glued and clamped:

Tomorrow, will trim the ends then put the end caps. That'll be a bit tricky. To allow for expansion of the laminated wood, the caps will be have splines and grooves, glued on one end, and slot-screwed on the other. Doing it this way because I don't have Timber's talent at making a dovetail joint.

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mas ok pala pag nakatago ang back jaw ng vise, mas neat and interesting tignan. Looks good.

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Didn't have any time yesterday so just spent a few hours after work today.

This is where the tailvise will go.

Set that aside for now. Worked on the end near the front vise.

Routered the edge straight. Planed the rest off (Wish I had a 4-inch straight bit!). Then routered the end cap and the end of the laminated slab with a slot-cutter bit to make grooves into which the spline will be inserted. The spline is that 1/2"x1" stick in the middle.

Sometimes, things just work out. Made that spline by running a plank on the TS and it came out tight on the grooves on first try. I must be getting better or luckier.

Here it is all clamped up. Will trim that later.

The front part only is glued (with epoxy). The middle to rear is just jointed without glue. That hole near the rear is for a lag bolt that will be inserted where the hole in the endcap will be a little loose. The idea is to allow for expansion of the laminated plank which will expand crosswise.

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@ding,

whats the dimension of your wb top?

the wood looks gorgeous...

post lang ng post bro...

V