Re: What the best wood parquet finishing

from personal experience i'd stay away from wood parquet... it doesn't last long - not lifetime ika nga. though it could just be the prep work and installer that may have caused it. as time goes on, the wood itself separates from the substrate beneath. also, the gaps between the woods acts as a trap for dust, etc. in addition the parquet can only be wet to a certain extent.

if you got the budget, i'd recommend tiles or if you really have it, granite and grout seal afterwards. for additional safety, a non slip coating may be added which won't affect the finish...

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I will not discourage you from using parquet flooring, maybe that is your preference or you have it already installed and trying to revive its luster. They are good for room floorings.

Of course hardwood would be the best for wood parquet flooring, if them wood parquets have been newly installed, sand it properly, clean it well, you can apply a clear anti termite or anti wood boring chemical then brush on with Sadolin oil finish, can be gloss or satin finish, whatever you prefer. 😉

You can find this Sadolin oil finish at True Value, at the Shang in Mandaluyong.

Hope this helps. :p 🙂

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Maraming available na finishes for Parquet flooring. Merong Wax finish, Water based finishes and Solvent type like Polyurethanes and Varathane. In our country ang mas popular ay Polyurethane. Floors installed and previously finished with wax should be sanded and applied with oil based coating due to the emissions of the old finish. However if your floors are freshly installed and untouched this may be the best time to use a lower maintenance film like Polyurethane solvents. There are water based Polyurethane formulas but they don't seem to last long, at least for floor applications. It makes a whole lot of difference if you hire a pro contractor. Should you DIY your project then get good advice from the dealer of your chemicals on how to best apply their finishes. Good luck.

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I have a freshly installed hardwood flooring and it is currently being sanded. It's a mix of reclaimed mulawin & yakal, and a sun dried akle. I'm doing my homework now before finishing it up. I read an article comparing the varnished and oiled-wax finish and I tend to like the oiled-wax finish. I like the natural look. I need help though on where can I get the wax for this purpose. Can anyone point me where to get this wax? What type of wax is it anyway? carnauba? Bees wax? I have linseed oil and I think that's the oil for this purpose. Any recommendations other than this finish?
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I have a freshly installed hardwood flooring and it is currently being sanded. It's a mix of reclaimed mulawin & yakal, and a sun dried akle. I'm doing my homework now before finishing it up. I read an article comparing the varnished and oiled-wax finish and I tend to like the oiled-wax finish. I like the natural look. I need help though on where can I get the wax for this purpose. Can anyone point me where to get this wax? What type of wax is it anyway? carnauba? Bees wax? I have linseed oil and I think that's the oil for this purpose. Any recommendations other than this finish?
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The use of hardwood is a plus in your case but to seal it against other contaminants will be a challenge. In the olden days they just use coconut oil or in the case of other countries Tung oil or linseed oil. Though they raise the grain the problem is they are still not able to provide a good seal for the wood tissue so movement is rapid and uncontrollable. Bees wax and other forms of commercial wax where developed to provide a layer of water seal but when the film is exposed to solvents like alcohol or acetone then the problem starts. Using solvent based finishes were the next best thing. Exhibiting a hard film that can resist mild to severe conditions these became a favorite among users. There are solvent sealers that do not burn the wood thereby highlighting the grain better. If you are allergic to solvents there are also H2O based finishes that might do the job. Good luck.

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Thanks sir Willy. Kindly recommend a water based sealers. Any particular brand? How about a mix of linseed oil, spar varnish, & thinner? I really wanted this to be the best as much as possible but will not cost an arm and leg. 🙂 anyway a portion has been sanded and the akle wood has really great grain pattern.
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I always have the impression that a wooden floor is a more expensive option than a tiled one.

Or I am just misinformed.

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Yes but not really much. You'll just have to find the direct source. I've been buying my hardwood for more than a year now and they were just installed a weeks ago. I guess it depends on one's situation though.
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pasensya kung lalong umo-OT. will probably start my own thread pero yaman at may nasimulan dito...

@gcavard, yung house na nabili namin also has reclaimed/recycled na old hardwood planks as flooring. hindi kami ang nagpagawa and may konting edad ang bahay. nagkakaproblem kami ngayon sa creaks and konting lundo and worse is may ilang planks nagka-crack, dahil mukhang kumakalas na sa "pamakuan" ang planks.

question ko sana is papaano ba ang karaniwang way ng pag install ng hardwood planks? ano ba ang "pamakuan" na sinasabi? sa research ko kasi, sa amerika parang may plywood na pinapatungan ang planks, bale solid na flat ang pinapatungan. ang impression ko sa "pamakuan" (at least dito sa bahay namin) is parang criss-cross na mga kahoy na pinapakuan ng planks sa edge niya, bale suporta lang is sa gilid ng planks (so parang hollow ang ilalim ng gita ng planks).

thanks!

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pasensya kung lalong umo-OT. will probably start my own thread pero yaman at may nasimulan dito...

@gcavard, yung house na nabili namin also has reclaimed/recycled na old hardwood planks as flooring. hindi kami ang nagpagawa and may konting edad ang bahay. nagkakaproblem kami ngayon sa creaks and konting lundo and worse is may ilang planks nagka-crack, dahil mukhang kumakalas na sa "pamakuan" ang planks.

question ko sana is papaano ba ang karaniwang way ng pag install ng hardwood planks? ano ba ang "pamakuan" na sinasabi? sa research ko kasi, sa amerika parang may plywood na pinapatungan ang planks, bale solid na flat ang pinapatungan. ang impression ko sa "pamakuan" (at least dito sa bahay namin) is parang criss-cross na mga kahoy na pinapakuan ng planks sa edge niya, bale suporta lang is sa gilid ng planks (so parang hollow ang ilalim ng gita ng planks).

thanks!

Pamakuan = floor joists, which do not run criss-cross, but perpendicular to the floor boards.
Hindi uso dito ang subfloor (as in the US) underlying the floorboards, and as I understand it,
the reason for subfloors is flexibility: you can lay hardwood T&G, parquet or even tile on top.
Sanay sila sa Western framing (wood) houses. Tayo, dahil sa earthquakes, sanay naman sa
reinforced concrete, so where we want to tile or parquet, reinforced concrete slab ang floor.

If your floorboards creak, then you can try to screw them back down to the floor joists:
I've used black drywall screws wth success, after pre-drilling with a countersink. The black
color conceals the screwheads better.

Floor joists are often braced (or bridged) with short wooden blocks. Dito sa Pilipinas, ang
bridging is in alternation instead of in-line, kasi hindi uso sa carpenters dito ang toenailing:

Para sa mga 'kano, mali 'yan, kasi it encourages lateral deflection ng floor joists, which
does loosen/split the floorboards. Then again, our climate is more stable than theirs, and
is a bit more forgiving on wood (where seasons/humidity changes = warpage/movement)

If the floor joist itself is deteriorating (anay, dry rot, or what-have you), madugo 'yan. You
have to replace the floor joist and then rebrace with bridging blocks. You take a nail-set or
concrete nail, and use it with a hammer to drive ALL the relevant floorboard-nails ALL THE
WAY THROUGH the floorboards and into the rotten floor joist. This detaches the floor from
the affected floor joist, which is then removed from below and replaced with treated lumber
and rebraced with bridging blocks. Renail (or screw) the floorboards to the new floor joist,
and plug with putty and stain where needed.

Always be careful about possible electrical conduits under the floor.

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To return to the original topic (parquet tiles), someone mentioned the problem of parquet
tiles popping loose of the concrete floor, parang kapak ng ceramic tiles. Short of moisture
(flooding, etc) attacking a waterbased adhesive, the most common problem is bad concrete.
You can see this when the parquet tiles that have popped free actually have bits of concrete
stuck to their undersides, and a crumbly concrete floor is exposed.

I've had success by pretreating with a solvent-based, penetrating concrete sealer BEFORE
re-gluing the loose parquet tiles (water-based glues WILL cause the parquet tiles to cup/
warp in this scenario, as the moisture has no place to go but up, and this means having to
replane/resand the affected area flat, and vacuum attachments for dust collection are most
helpful, but anyway...).

The pretreatment stabilizes the concrete up to a depth of 1/4", which is significant in an
otherwise crumbly concrete floor. Most authorities warn not to pretreat, precisely because
they want the parquet glue to soak/penetrate the concrete (and if the glue is solvent
based, not to react adversely with the sealer; or if the glue is waterbased, not to warp the
parquet tiles) but hey, if the concrete itself is crumbling, again, the tiles will pop free with
dried glue and chunks of glue-impregnated concrete attached.

Wrt parquet finishes...
Polyurethane has huge disadvantages: it takes a long time to fully cure and harden, and
can look as fake/ugly/plastic as bad silicone breast implants. However, unlike traditional
floorwax, polyurethane does help retain parquet tiles in place because it also acts as a
glue. If you're into that kind of glossy shine, then more power to you and the P40+ per
square foot in maintenance every 7-8 years (stripping, reapplication and interminable wait
for the PU to harden).

JM2

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Concrete slab ang base ng mga hardwood planks ko at PE foam in between. Naka bore ang systema. Bale drill (lots of drilling) sa concrete then insert hardwood pegs. Sa pegs ipapako ang planks. I don't mind the cracks I just fill it in (fine wood dust mixed with glue or clear dead flat lacquer. I like the old wood as it is. The woods are mix of mulawin and yakal demolished from 1960 old plant of Procter and Gamble as per seller in Imus. Mga biga mostly 4x8x25ft. Pina bandsaw ko para maging 1 inch planks. May mga butas din ng bolts and nuts pinatakpan ko ng kamagong.

Anyway, mukhang may mga joist ang sa inyo. Ok din yan pero dapat tama spacing.
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Hello JM2, thanks for your post specially the PU disadvantage. Gives me more reason to go the oil-waxed finish. I like it more natural looking. Actually applied last night the first coat of boiled linseed oil mixed with equal parts paint thinner. I'm hoping to post pictures of it but I have not done posting pictures here so I don't know how to do it yet. Lazy to go through the instructions how to do it... 🙂
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I have been a pro installer, lumber processor and finishing specialist for quite sometime now, 21 years to be exact and I have some interesting things to share.

Wood planks and parquet to this day are not properly dried as per industry standards. Processors and suppliers just rely on the traditional Air Drying and most often install them half dried. Worst part about this is they are expected to bond to the concrete surface and hold well using PVAC based glue. We have observed lately a reduction in quality more particularly in the bonding strength and curing properties of well known Glue brands. Add to this the issue of poor topping preparation and poor quality concrete mix. We have also observed the rapid deterioration of wooden floor joists that are normally in contact with cement. This problem is based on several factors mainly the type of wood used as floor joist and it's reaction to the Alkali emissions that occur during the cement curing process. A lot of contractors had issues with Yakal, Guijo and lately Mahogany wood w/c became common joist material after the Vacuum treated Apitong disappeared in the 90's. The quality of imported cement that has dominated the market didn't help either, contributing to rapid wood rot. If the joists and glue fail or weaken, the wood will be able to move or flex their tissue or worst shrink thus those ugly warped boards or loose wood parquet tiles.

Nowadays we use Substrates like the Americans do but our choice of material is FIBERCEMENT BOARD. With special fasteners we install these substrate directly on the concrete but we apply a special elastomeric based sealer on the concrete first to control if not eliminate moisture emission. We use 18mm thick Ficemboard and a special type of PVAC adhesive that is twice the bonding strength of your commercial known brand. We own this formula and this glue does not revert even when it gets in contact with water, say flooding or leaks. Sad part is we don't sell the glue yet as we have to pass the 10-year test of product warrants. We are however 2 years away from that reality.:)

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many many thanks sirs horge, gcavard, willyfernando. mas maaga pa dapat ako nag-acknowledge/pasalamat especially kay sir horge na matagal nang sumagot. medyo nag-research lang ako para mas meaningful pag nagtanong ulit ako (at magtatanong ulit ako hehe).

this is all PRECISELY the info/insight na hanap ko. yung may perspective on how it is done here. "google is your friend" pero you have to remember that google is american hehe, so karamihan ng impormasyon is for them, of them, and by them.

pasensya sa thread starter nag-OT, i'll start a new thread para hindi na hijack. hope you guys can continue providing info/advice there. thanks!