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YES, count me in...
awaiting catalog items too....

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I would pay premium prices for real japanese tools. Specially their chisels. Looking forward to the catalog pics..

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First installment. Here is the saw I have in mind ... it should because this is what I mostly use:

This is why:

I also have one another blade specialized for ripping but I seldom use it. Not because it is difficult to replace the blades but rather because I only use it for ripping hardwood when I can't do the rip with a power saw.

By the way, sorry for the lousy imaging. Now I realize why they wanted to send catalogs and not just PDF files or something. There are also a lot more pages to these. I'm just selecting what would be most relevant.

The manufacturer of these saws by the way has a website with a lot of information too: http://www.z-saw.co.jp

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I'm in Louis, best if you can add a Dozuki H-150(item No. 50128) blade for me...

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How much would a Dozuki saw cost?

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Try looking up Japan Woodworker.com at the link below for prices of japanese tools

http://www.japanwoodworker.com/page.asp?content_id=10045

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I've had good experience with Shark saws too. Blades are Made in Japan. However the saws that OP posted looks much better w/ traditional handles.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=shark+saw&x=14&y=21

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Thanks guys for your posts but please understand this is more a question of "if these Japanese tools were available, would people be willing to pay the MUCH HIGHER prices".

Don't know if I have shared this story here but to drive the point home on these Japanese tools let me share it:

"An American company asks a Japanese parts maker to make them 1000 pieces of the part they need. The Americans say a 1% failure rate is acceptable. A bit confused but still happy to get the order the Japanese go off with the Purchase Order in hand. One day before the agreed deadline, the Japanese come back with the Americans order which they laid out on the receiving table. At the turnover the Japanese said, "Here is your order of 990 good parts and 10 failed parts. Sorry for the slight delay, it was very difficult to find 10 failed parts."

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Thanks guys for your posts but please understand this is more a question of "if these Japanese tools were available, would people be willing to pay the MUCH HIGHER prices".

To the hypothetical, for me -- yes. 'Much higher' is relative. The price you quoted (P1,700) seems at par if not slightly lower than US prices, e.g., the dozuki and ryoba I got from Lee Valley before (with nonreplaceable blades). The pull saws of Irwin (with replaceable blades) also seem to work well, and are cheaper, but have plastic handles, so tend to get less use. I am thinking of trying the ones of Hida Tool and nokogiri.com.

Does Okada have published prices?

Are Japanese tools available locally, or is there a chance to be available in near future?

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Thanks guys for your posts but please understand this is more a question of "if these Japanese tools were available, would people be willing to pay the MUCH HIGHER prices".

Don't know if I have shared this story here but to drive the point home on these Japanese tools let me share it:

"An American company asks a Japanese parts maker to make them 1000 pieces of the part they need. The Americans say a 1% failure rate is acceptable. A bit confused but still happy to get the order the Japanese go off with the Purchase Order in hand. One day before the agreed deadline, the Japanese come back with the Americans order which they laid out on the receiving table. At the turnover the Japanese said, "Here is your order of 990 good parts and 10 failed parts. Sorry for the slight delay, it was very difficult to find 10 failed parts."

question Louis, are you asking "only" if we are willing to pay premium for premium tools? or are you asking if we are willing to a group buy? hehehe or you have an extra piece? people often will pay for quality, while the price you quoted was costly, it seems cheap compared to online prices and seems to be very well in terms of price to quality value.
are you bringing these locally? dumami tuloy ang tanong ko... 🙂 also the flush trim saw is nice to have...

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Still just a future possibility.

Most starting DIYs or those that have never used these tools will usually have bought a P300 to P600 western push saw. I don't know how many I bought before I took a chance on a Japanese pull saw. I even had one of them split in two at a saw shop because this is what our carpenters do ... even till now. IIRC I paid P200 to have it done and the saw maybe cost P500 in today's pesos so I spent about P350 for each of those. Thus, the P1700 Japanese pull saw would be 485% more expensive. Also, these saws cannot be resharpened, you just have to buy a new blade. So since sharpening a western saw is P50 and a new blade would be P700 but will last 10 times longer then that's still 140% higher!

Re: Japanese woodworking tools

Still just a future possibility.

Most starting DIYs or those that have never used these tools will usually have bought a P300 to P600 western push saw. I don't know how many I bought before I took a chance on a Japanese pull saw. I even had one of them split in two at a saw shop because this is what our carpenters do ... even till now. IIRC I paid P200 to have it done and the saw maybe cost P500 in today's pesos so I spent about P350 for each of those. Thus, the P1700 Japanese pull saw would be 485% more expensive. Also, these saws cannot be resharpened, you just have to buy a new blade. So since sharpening a western saw is P50 and a new blade would be P700 but will last 10 times longer then that's still 140% higher!

ano yun bro. future possibility that you will buy or you will sell? is there a local source already?

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I was only really asking if the guys here would buy them at these prices. Like I said before on another thread, a group buy is difficult because people always want different things, and this being the case the only thing really saved is the under utilization of the shipping cost.

Yes, I'm thinking of buying them in wholesale but only of a few kinds and then selling them. Actually the price of P1,700 is based as much on the the online prices as it is on my very rough estimate of what the landed cost would be. It might be lower but I'm not sure.

Let me just be clear that I'd be just as pleased if someone else did this. I'm not a trader by nature. So if anyone is interested please do not hesitate on my account. Heck I'd even help.

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Future possibility that I'll import them and sell them. Just a hairbrain idea to get more people woodworking.